red dot mounted on elcan specter?

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gun nutz,
do any of you have a mini red dot mounted on your elcan specterdr? i see a few sponsors are selling the mount but what mini rds will fit?
thanks!
 
enefgee said:
Is it me, or does a red dot on top of a 1-4x (1.5-6x) switchable scope sound like overkill? Sort of like having a belt and suspenders, if the belt cost $2k and the suspenders cost $1K
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It's not you. The red dot on my Elcan when run on 1x is far better than any other RDS I have used, with a clarity that i have yet to find in anything else. Too each their own but personally I don't see the need.
 
Leviathan024 said:
you guys are right i love the red dot in 1x. my friend has the 1.5x and it came with the mount so hes going to use it i guess
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Sorry I got to involved in offering my opinion and not respecting your question. To my knowledge the mount is designed for a Dr. Red dot but I believe the mounting pattern is the same that is used for the Burris Fast Fire.
 
Leviathan024 said:
gun nutz,
do any of you have a mini red dot mounted on your elcan specterdr? i see a few sponsors are selling the mount but what mini rds will fit?
thanks!
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No, but why would I do that, elcan spectr dr has a red dot, on 1x you can use both eyes open. I do it all the time. Optics and glass on the Elcan are far far superior than any aftermarket red dot you can put on it. It's a 2000$ scope for a reason.
 
I have to admit I am a touch confused here. Maybe it's my misunderstanding of what many refer to as a red dot optic. Maybe there's a comparison between apples and oranges happening here?

When I've used, heard and referred to a red dot optic, it's usually been relative to that which an optic like an Eotech provides, no parallax, unlimited eye relief and no matter where you move your line of sight within the glass, wherever the dot is painted, that's where your round will be placed, all considerations being made.

When I've peered through and used a SpectreDR, sure, there's an illuminuated red dot in there alright, but due to the parallax within the optic, the limited eye relief, it does not provide the same feature as an Eotech would in that no matter where I look though the optic, wherever the dot is, that's where the round goes.

So how does one compare the holographic red dot feature of an optic that is non-parallax with unlimited eye relieve to a non-holographic optic which is parallax and limited eye reliefe?

So to say "red dot on a red dot" may be techincally true, but the way each optic interfaces said red dot to the user are not the same so having both would technically not be redundant. Unless of course I am missing something and humbly seek input.
 
kalsc said:
When I've peered through and used a SpectreDR, sure, there's an illuminuated red dot in there alright, but due to the parallax within the optic, the limited eye relief, it does not provide the same feature as an Eotech would in that no matter where I look though the optic, wherever the dot is, that's where the round goes.

So how does one compare the holographic red dot feature of an optic that is non-parallax with unlimited eye relieve to a non-holographic optic which is parallax and limited eye reliefe?

So to say "red dot on a red dot" may be techincally true, but the way each optic interfaces said red dot to the user are not the same so having both would technically not be redundant. Unless of course I am missing something and humbly seek input.
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This. I think.

I don't use a doctor sight on top of an Elcan SpecterDR but I can see the use.
 
Gents: the red dot on top was intended for the SpectreOS, the fixed 4x optic. Adding the red dot up top gives the user a 1x red dot in addition to their existing 4x fixed, much the same as the ACOG RCO did. The brits have recently adopted this setup (SpectreOS with a Shield red dot up top) for their standard service rifle, replacing the SUSAT. This combo was going in direct competition with the ACOG RCO (which had been purchased by the brits for use in Afghanistan and was widely believed to be the forerunner in the larger SUSAT replacement) but the Elcan optic won out. I own a SpectreOS and have been playing with the idea of adding a red dot up top, brit style to my Colt Canada 15.7 but haven't made the jump yet.
 
You would need a really good beard weld to use one.
The SpecterDR is a large heavy optic, I've never even thought of adding anything more to it, especially since it has iron sights built into it.
 
Anyone who has hunted with a variable optic knows.
Rule 1, your optic will never be set to the power you want.
Rule 2, if time is a factor it will be set to the worst possible power for your situation.

I did not like how it was done on the ACOG, it felt too tall and both optics were separated too much (possibly because of the elevation turret). I wrote it off as a concept till I shot the UK FIST sight (which has a very, very fine and easy to lose reticle on the OS4) and I was able to alternate between 1x and 4x by rocking my head without having to lift cheek from the stock.
Putting one on a DR makes no sense to me, but they work on the OS4.
 
Gunnerlove said:
Anyone who has hunted with a variable optic knows.
Rule 1, your optic will never be set to the power you want.
Rule 2, if time is a factor it will be set to the worst possible power for your situation.

I did not like how it was done on the ACOG, it felt too tall and both optics were separated too much (possibly because of the elevation turret). I wrote it off as a concept till I shot the UK FIST sight (which has a very, very fine and easy to lose reticle on the OS4) and I was able to alternate between 1x and 4x by rocking my head without having to lift cheek from the stock.
Putting one on a DR makes no sense to me, but they work on the OS4.
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Yeah, the FIST has the crosshair reticle, whereas I have the chevron which is a bit easier to "find" (almost an exact copy of Trijicon's chevron on the ACOG) but I am very intrigued to try it. Would you recommend the FIST setup?
 
Mr.Crumbz said:
Red dot on a fixed 3 power Elcan Spectre? That I can see, but the price would be getting closer to have being better off purchasing the Elcan Spectre DR
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4x power, but the benefit being that theyre both always available. Even with an expensive red dot, it's still cheaper than a DR and simpler mechanically (but then you have to deal with two zeros and two (potentially) different batteries.
 
Gunnerlove said:
Anyone who has hunted with a variable optic knows.
Rule 1, your optic will never be set to the power you want.
Rule 2, if time is a factor it will be set to the worst possible power for your situation.

I did not like how it was done on the ACOG, it felt too tall and both optics were separated too much (possibly because of the elevation turret). I wrote it off as a concept till I shot the UK FIST sight (which has a very, very fine and easy to lose reticle on the OS4) and I was able to alternate between 1x and 4x by rocking my head without having to lift cheek from the stock.
Putting one on a DR makes no sense to me, but they work on the OS4.
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Try to clear a sea can village and walk up and down stairways, and you will find the ingenuity of mounting a red dot high over the primary optic. It allows you to keep you head up and retain more situation awareness. In addition, you can use the reddot if you are wearing head gear, like CBRN mask. It is a different tool from the 1X setting of the Spectre DR.
 
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