Red dot or williams appeture sight

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I just bought a Remington 7600 carbine for dogging and am looking for input from those who use a red dot or aimpoint as well as those who use a williams peep. This rig will be used for FAST aquasition on running deer out to 100 yards or less
 
I have always used peep sights or a 3x or less scope for close shots/running game. But when I was hunting in Germany during a few game drives ( Treibjagd) the hunters were most likely to use red dot sights. I used one mounted on a borrowed rifle. They do work very well. If putting together a specialized rig, I'd go red dot, no question. Aimpoints are one good brand.
 
I have my .270 Remington 7600 set up with a trijicon TR-25 1-6x24 that has the illuminated German number 4 reticle. I was initially choking over the price, however having played extensively for the past 10 years with both red dots and magnified optics in my long guns, once I got a bit of range time and this-season hunting with it, it is honestly the best of all worlds with very little sacrifice other than price. I've killed two deer with it already this season, one at 180 yards and another at 250. The 6x setting is ideal for this, and the green illuminated dot is fantastic for my aging eyes at the edge-of-legal light.

This season I've also shot a coyote on the run that I bumped in the woods while staking deer. Here I had the scope on 1x and it is pretty much as-good (if not better) than the airport ml3 2 moa's I've been previously trying on my bush guns.

Having a tonne of fun with my jerk-o-matic and the new scope, sorry I did not discover this rig earlier!

Cheers,

Brobee
 
For me, nothing matches an Aimpoint Micro for the style of hunting you described. I have the Micro on my wild turkey shotgun and my deer hunting rifle (lots of hunting in thick cover so fast target acquisition a must). In the two seasons since I put the Micro on both guns, I have killed 2 turkeys and 2 deer with zero misses - it's just amazing how natural it is to get the red dot on target. The Micro H1 weighs nothing (less than 4 ounces), battery life is incredible (5 years plus on the entire time in testing), and is super tough. Yes, it's expensive - but it's awesome.
 
I put an Aimpoint Micro T-1 with a 2MOA dot on a carry rifle ... did some fairly extensive "testing" ... shooting single 5 shot groups ... one at 100m and one at 300m ... each day for 15 consecutive days. 100m agg was 1.25". 300m agg was 6". No magnifier was used. The dot is fast. Aimpoint is reliable in hot and cold.
 
A micro red dot will be faster than a peep, and better for low light conditions.

That said, there is something to be said for the simplicity and ruggedness of a peep sight.
 
mike t said:
I just bought a Remington 7600 carbine for dogging and am looking for input from those who use a red dot or aimpoint as well as those who use a williams peep. This rig will be used for FAST aquasition on running deer out to 100 yards or less
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I've used various scopes & receiver sights on pump guns. The Williams FP is the best rec sight for these and works very well, esp with a 20" bbl.

Saying that ..... A low powered scope like a 1.5-5 or 1-4 (used them both) does offer a very good FOV for close and fast as well as better optics close to dark.

I like them both, but would lean a bit to a low powered straight tube scope for flexibility. A good red dot should work well too.
 
I've used low power scopes and aperture sights, but I find an aimpoint is faster than either at the distances described. Amazing sights for moving game.
 
Personally, I would go with a traditional style low powered scope that incorporates illumination, such as the Leupold VX-R... it will be a better all around system. I used the VX-R 1.25-4X20 with Hog Plex reticle for awhile on a .358 BLR and it is very quick to acquire the target and get centered. You get a traditional look and feel with the advantages of an illuminated aiming point... the VX-R also seems to work better in bright light conditions than many red dota that I have tried. I currently have a VX-R 2-7x33mm with Fire Dot Duplex reticle on an M77 MKII 350 Rem Mag... and it is an excellent fit.
 
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If you are indeed going to be under 100 yards id personally go with a quality red dot with good battery life. I have a mix of peeps and red dots on my hunting rifles and find the red dots quite a bit faster and not affected nearly as bad by low light like peeps. Out past 200 yards a low powered scope would be the way to go if ranges can get out there.
 
I use a Tikka Battue with a red dot for fast target aquasition when running hounds on deer. I've used peeps before but find the red dot to be faster IMO
 
If one is doing a red dot a better quality makes a difference. Some of those cheap ones are finicky and struggle to hold zero. The Williams peep is good and can be adjusted. And for front site a fiber optic works decently with the peep and can be better then OEM iron sights.
 
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