registration papers
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coldestcanuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- lower mainland bc
Fcs read your ATT. If it says you must be only transport guns that you possess the reg cert for then you have to wait for the reg cert to arrive. 3 times now I have stood in the bc CFO office and been told that the temp is ONLY good to get the gun home, NOT to transport to the range. Call your CFO and don't listen to any of these Philadelphia lawyers on here.
Well....I'm no lawyer.
And the CFO's like to make up crap that is far from law. And not anywhere on ANY of the temp certs I received, did it say " to take home only" or "one time use only"
So when I get a temp piece of paper with a reg number of a pistol that's in my name.........see you later, i'll be at the range.
Shanks4300
Regular
- Location
- Winnipeg, mb
I waited for the actual certificate for my first gun, after that one I now use the transfer notification that shows me as the legal owner with the reg cert number on it. In MB they email that to me as soon as the transfer is done along with a new copy of my ltatt, and I go make noise at the range.
Make your own decision and be prepared to defend it if challenged.
Make your own decision and be prepared to defend it if challenged.
coldestcanuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- lower mainland bc
You know, Padawan, you could be 100% right, and it's highly unlikely that we'll ever hear of this situation winding up before a judge. Worst case scenario, you can try to convince the judge that even though your LTATT says you must be in possession of the reg cert (If that is on the Ont. Latt's, it is in BC), not just the temporary reg (that is really just so you can get the gun home), is good enough. Even if the Judge isn't perfectly clear, how do you answer the question " did you call the CFO to check"?
In other words did you use "due diligence? No? Then you are left in the uncomfortable position of trying to convince the judge that you are so well equipped to interpret the law that, your interpretation is more accurate that that of the prosecutor, who you can be sure, did check with the CFO before proceeding with the charges.
If you do convince the judge that your interpretation is the correct one, he will no doubt render a not guilty verdict after which you can apply to have the firearms ban lifted, apply to have your firearms returned, and see what kind of overtime is available to you to make up the money you lost taking time off and paying a lawyer.
Or you could call the CFO, get an answer (record who and when) or just wait for the reg cert to arrive in the mail, then there is no doubt.
You can take your chances, although personally I'd rather take that chance somewhere other that Ontario.
Double checking my facts just isn't a big deal to me.
In other words did you use "due diligence? No? Then you are left in the uncomfortable position of trying to convince the judge that you are so well equipped to interpret the law that, your interpretation is more accurate that that of the prosecutor, who you can be sure, did check with the CFO before proceeding with the charges.
If you do convince the judge that your interpretation is the correct one, he will no doubt render a not guilty verdict after which you can apply to have the firearms ban lifted, apply to have your firearms returned, and see what kind of overtime is available to you to make up the money you lost taking time off and paying a lawyer.
Or you could call the CFO, get an answer (record who and when) or just wait for the reg cert to arrive in the mail, then there is no doubt.
You can take your chances, although personally I'd rather take that chance somewhere other that Ontario.
Double checking my facts just isn't a big deal to me.
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I'm with Coldestcanuck.
When I bought my Shadow not too long ago, I took the reference number to the CFO office to get the transfer pushed through quickly.
The woman @ the CFO made it EXTREMELY clear by repeating it to me at least 4 times and asking me to repeat to her that one of the conditions of the LTATT is you must be in possession of the registration certificate.
So get the gun from the store to home, she issued me a STATT which was only good to get the gun home from the store and a temp registration.
She made it abundantly clear that I couldn't take the gun out of my home legally until the official registration came in the mail.
Of course I could take it wherever I wanted, but I would be in clear breach of the law.
Call your CFO, I am sure they will tell you what Coldestcanuck is saying is true.
When I bought my Shadow not too long ago, I took the reference number to the CFO office to get the transfer pushed through quickly.
The woman @ the CFO made it EXTREMELY clear by repeating it to me at least 4 times and asking me to repeat to her that one of the conditions of the LTATT is you must be in possession of the registration certificate.
So get the gun from the store to home, she issued me a STATT which was only good to get the gun home from the store and a temp registration.
She made it abundantly clear that I couldn't take the gun out of my home legally until the official registration came in the mail.
Of course I could take it wherever I wanted, but I would be in clear breach of the law.
Call your CFO, I am sure they will tell you what Coldestcanuck is saying is true.
To check what?
My LTATT has limitations. My STATT I get from the dealer has limitations (its says so on the paper) The Reg Cert that comes with the STATT......has NO limitations on it anywhere. So just what is it that i'd have to call the CFO's office to check? How could I be in violation of the law, when the paper doesn't have any limitations?
A temp certification is STILL a certification, it comes with a number. If it were up to the CFO's, we would never be able to take our firearms out of the house.
coldestcanuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- lower mainland bc
Apparently you are under the impression that your definition of "reg cert" is what the CFO is bound by. If you took the time to contact the CFC you might be shocked to learn that neither the CFC nor (at least) the BC CFO agree with you. The temporary reg is only to get it home. Please focus for a second and look at the following two lines.
1. Temporary registration certificate
2. Registration certificate
I have my LTATT in my hand and I'm checking.................checking.............still checking.......Nope!!! doesn't even mention temporaries. It says I must possess #2. Now in all fairness, things might be different in Ontario but, here in BC, they make it pretty clear and as you may have seen in other posts, the CFO office will make things abundantly clear to you (all at no charge, bless their little hearts). I guess the Ontario CFO must be a lot more lenient than the ones out west here.
Are the rules fair?NO. Are they logical? NO! Do you get to use YOUR definitions or interpretations of the rules? NO you don't. Do I personally agree with them? No! FFS phone your CFO!!!
Just to add some clarity to the situation there is no such thing as a temporary registration certificate. Show where in the Act there is anything other than a registration certificate? Be specific and cite your source.
The number you get when you buy a new gun is actually a TAN (Transfer Authorization Number) and when looked up in the CFC or through CPIC it will link the the registration number in the system. Or in some cases they give you the actual registration number instead of a TAN.
Shawn
Call them for WHAT !?! Again I ask this.
You want me to call my CFO to prove you are right?? That's like jumping in front of a train to prove it will kill me. *sigh*
Lets just agree to disagree.
It's my opinion, that if stopped by an Officer while transporting my Pistols to the range and I have my LTATT and licence and that "transfer paper" WITH the Reg number on it, with me. I'll be allowed to continue on my way.
andrew3081
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver, BC
I rather wait another 2 weeks for the reg cert to show up and go to the range.
2 weeks of waiting is nothing compared to the years you can spend in jail for not having the right document.
coldestcanuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- lower mainland bc
Thank-you Shawn.
So if what they give you is a TAN, and your LTATT say you must posess the registration certificate, then you should wait until you have the Registration Certificate?
coldestcanuck
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- lower mainland bc
No, I think you should phone the CFO to prove YOU are right.
That depends on what a judge would decide "have in your possession" is:
A) you have a reg cert in your name for that gun with a TAN leading them to it OR
B) you have the actual reg cert they mailed you in your hand
To my knowledge this has never been tested in a court of any kind.
Shawn
The CFO cant prove either of you right or wrong.
The CFO has no authority to interperate the law only enforce the firearms act. A judge would have to make the decision in federal court.
Shawn
