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Hello, guys, i am thinking about getting a new 22lr.

I would like to get an accurate rifle,
but not match type accuracy where you sacrifice everything for the sake of accuracy.
In other words i would like RAACTICAL ACCURACY.

here are the questions i have:

Is the bull barrel really worth it? what is the best length for 22lr barrels?
is semi autos a lot worse than bolt, what difference in accuracy are you talking at 100 yards?

thanks.
 
What is it going to be used for? Are you going to be shooting it in the field, off a rest, offhand?

There are lots of accurate rifles with modest barrels. Generally, bolt actions are more accurate than semi autos. Semis have movement in the actions, and require better craftsmanship and tight tolerances to be consistently accurate. There are accurate semis, but they tend to be more expensive.

Ammo also makes a huge difference too.

Most decent quality bolt actions, $400+ will get consistent 2" to 3" accuracy with good ammo. Wind also makes a big difference to accuracy at 100m with a 22. A typical semi will do a bit worse. A good semi, such a a Thompson Center R55 Benchmark (no longer produced) will do as well a a bolt action.

Barrel length? Doesn't make much difference. But if you are shooting offhand, a longer barrel will make you more accurate.
 
mostly for fun target shooting, not for competitions, possibly a bit of hunting in the future.
What semis are out there which are comparable to bolts? thanks.
 
This is from a bone stock Savage MarkII FV with a cheap 4x scope at 50 yards. I pulled the flyer.

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heavy barrels allow you to shoot more volume before your barrel heats up. The thinner the barrel, the more prone to inaccuracy you will be. Once your barrel heats up past its threshold, your groups will open right up. for a 22lr, a heavy barrel really isn't that heavy anyway.
 
ok so this what i am thinking about getting after reading your posts. I will get bolt action Savage MarkII with regular barrel,
even though i would really like to get a semi auto. I think it will be better for hunting squirrels, easier to carry around,
better to practice precision shooting with, and it is the first couple of shots that will count. It seem to me it is not worth getting bull barrel
if it is going to be bolt action rifle. How many shot can i make with a bolt action rifle with a regular barrel before accuracy will be affected?
what do you think? thanks.
 
Longer barrels make for quieter shooting, if this is important.
Heavy barrels are just that, heavy.
Plinking doesn't require heavy long barrels.
How hot can a 22 rimfire barrel get?
Unless you are shooting a semi with a bag full of mag rounds.
Plinking out in the bush makes a lever a lot of fun.
My BL-22 is a hoot to shoot out there.
Holds a bunch of rounds in the tubular mag.
A bolt action with a detach mag makes for fun shooting too.
Light, short and easy wins the plinking race imho.
 
dagtaph said:
mostly for fun target shooting, not for competitions, possibly a bit of hunting in the future.
What semis are out there which are comparable to bolts? thanks.
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SandRoad gave you your answer; Thompson Center R55 Benchmark (no longer produced) I don't own one, but have heard this is true. I've also seen that they're expensive, and cycle best with a very limited selection of ammo. Again, internet-reports. I have a Marlin 795 (a $150 rifle) with a tuned trigger an polished bolt, and it's the most accurate .22 semi I've ever used. Having said that, I have one .22lr semi, and about 5 bolt-action .22lrs.~that should tell you where I stand on the debate. :)

I think heavy barrels are only good for bench shooting and shooting prone off a bipod, forget offhand shots. (standing, no support/rest) They get a little tiresome to carry long distances, and I'm not 100% convinced it makes any difference in accuracy since a bolt action can only cycle so fast, and there are rarely more than 5-10 round in a magazine. (BTW, only one of mine is a HB) If high-speed ammo-dumps are your game, you're better off with a semi maybe. Sounds to me like a bolt-action, standard weight barrel might be the right one for you. Savage would be my recommendation.
 
So far there was a lot of useful infor for me so thank you everybody. Can i shoot 22short from detachable magazines designed for 22lr? What are the dis/advantages of tube fed rifles? Lever action 22 looks very interesting, it seems like it will be a bit faster to operate than the bolt - what are the dis/advantages of lever action in terms of accuracy? thanks.
 
Was at the range with my Savage Mk II BVSS (stainless bull barrel) a few days ago, shooting LR .22 CCI Mini Mags at one of those auto resetting targets @ 100 yrds. I was nailing the targets with pretty much every shot. Think I may have missed 3-4 shots out of a 70 or so rounds expended.
 
dagtaph said:
Lever action 22 looks very interesting, it seems like it will be a bit faster to operate than the bolt
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Personally, I don't think the bolt is any slower than lever. Browning makes an interesting action called the 'T-bolt' which has some improvements over a regular bolt, from what I've been told. More expensive, but accurate, rifles.
 
dagtaph said:
So far there was a lot of useful infor for me so thank you everybody. Can i shoot 22short from detachable magazines designed for 22lr? What are the dis/advantages of tube fed rifles? Lever action 22 looks very interesting, it seems like it will be a bit faster to operate than the bolt - what are the dis/advantages of lever action in terms of accuracy? thanks.
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.22 shorts~not sure why the subject keeps popping up on this forum with 99% of what's made, and what can be found, is .22lr. :) CZs will cycle .22long (vs. lr=long rifle) in my experience. If you're sitting on Canada's last stockpile of .22 short, single-shot bolts, break barrels, bolt-action or lever TUBE-fed guns ought to feed them fine. Box-mag-fed bolt actions or any semis~no.

Advantage to tube-fed~I don't think there are many, save for the ability to digest a variety of different .22 lengths

Lever being faster~maybe~You lose more time cleaning them, so at best..I call that a draw. :)

Lever accuracy~my Winchester couldn't keep pace with a Savage bolt action in that dept. Never shot a Henry or Browning
 
guys you are really realy helpful. What about stocks - plastick vs laminate?

as for 22short (i have never seen them in the sotre by the way) they are suppused to be really quiet, so it is a nice option to have.
 
Personally, I love the laminate wood stock on my BVSS. Sure they are heavier with the bull barrel and laminate wood, but no more than a smaller to mid centerfire. If people cart centerfires through the bush on a hunt, I see no reason to dis a heavy .22.

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it is very nice rifle, this is the rifle i wanted to buy when i first saw it, but then i desided it is just way to fancy for me :)
what is the difference between stainless still and carbon steel, is one better than the other?
 
dagtaph said:
it is very nice rifle, this is the rifle i wanted to buy when i first saw it, but then i desided it is just way to fancy for me :)
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I think you'd be happy with the shooting performance of any of the Mark IIs, they'll all be about the same whether its a G, FV, BV, BTVS. Pick one you like the look and feel that's fits into your budget.

Steve
 
The older rifles tend to flavor the S. L. & L.R. ammo.
Newer stuff is geared toward the long rifle ammo.
Cheaper for plinking the big box offerings.
The old 69, 68 and the long barreled 67's were awfully
quiet shooting the wee rounds.
Perfect pest control or in areas gone by, out in the back yard
or basement with a good sturdy back stop.
 
savage223 said:
I think you'd be happy with the shooting performance of any of the Mark IIs, they'll all be about the same whether its a G, FV, BV, BTVS. Pick one you like the look and feel that's fits into your budget.

Steve
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Agreed. Stainless is nice, more weather resistant...but blued steel guns have been getting rained on, snowed on, and been working reliably forever. Get whichever strikes your fancy and fits your budget~as Savage223 said. Treat any gun well (towel it off, air dry, then wipe with a lightly oiled rag) no matter what you get. BTW, .22 shorts aren't that quiet necessarily. Again, you'll find a better selection in .22lr~INCLUDING quiet stuff. You can use CCI "Quiet" (new product) CCI CB longs (not a new product, VERY quiet) etc. Then you move-up to standard velocity ammo, then up to the louder, powerful stuff like CCI stingers.

Stocks~I like them all. It's a stock, not a canoe paddle...so don't worry too much about them getting wet~they're meant to. My hardest-used (=hunted) guns have synthetic stocks.
 
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