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Crazy.kayaker

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Started my first reloading batch and ran it to a snag. I have winchester Large rifle primers for my .308 but no reloading data I finds shows the .308 with winchester primers. I've already seated 50 rounds with the primers and want to work out a powder load out and seat some bullets but I can't till I figure/find out what kind of difference the winchester primers will have on the powder load compared to the Fed 210M primers. I'm loading in federal brass and have some IMR 4064 and Varget with Nos Ballistic Tip bullets. I plan on loading a few light loads first then work up to what I want to hunt with. (federal primers were and still are out of stock here due to shipping problems)

Oh if you have a nice .308 recipe I should try please let me know thanks.
 
Doesn't matter what primer you use, start at the minimum and work up.

As a side note, I find the WLR primers a tad hotter than the 210M, so you may hit the max load sooner, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will be slower.

I find the Federal brass to be softer than Rem or Win brass, you may not get alot of firings with them. I've had good success with 4895 in my .308's

What weight bullet?
 
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...no reloading data I finds shows the .308 with winchester primers.
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Those primers are fine, you have nothing to worry about.

Just work up a load and if you want to switch to another make of primer, reduce powder charge and work up again.

But that goes for switching any component of a handload and even between different lots of powder.
 
Bullet weight is 150 grain. I'm working up to deer loads so I can zero my scope with what I'm hunting with. I also have some winchester brass all ONCE FIRED in my gun of course that I plan on using too. I just found my gun likes federal loads better then the winchester loads. Hopefully that's not the same with hand loads.

Blargon you mentioned I might find the max load sooner...how would I know if I hit max load sooner with the winchester primers other then having cases fail. And can you send me the load you use for your .308 so I can try it out once I know what I'm doing?

Thanks
 
Crazy.kayaker said:
Blargon you mentioned I might find the max load sooner...how would I know if I hit max load sooner with the winchester primers other then having cases fail. And can you send me the load you use for your .308 so I can try it out once I know what I'm doing?

Thanks
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There should be an entire chapter on this in your reloading manual.

Pressure is nearing maximum when the primers flatten out. That isn't necessarily the maximum, but for a beginner, its a good place to stop.

If you see a bright round dot on the head or your case, you've definitely gone too far. That is the brass re-flowing into the ejector hole. If you see a dark ring around your primer, you're in some seriously dangerous territory if those are new components.
 
Pretty safe if you stick to the book loads. Some pressure signs are cases that are hard to extract, very flat primers (keep a factory fired one to compare with), as well as shiny spots on the head or a round mark from the plunger ejector on your bolt.

The way I work up is the "ladder". Load 1 round at minimum charge, then increasing 1 grain per round for the next few until you get to book max. Should only take 5 or 6 rounds. Shoot them from min to max, watching for pressure signs until you either shoot them all, or get to a point where you're getting signs. When you find the safe max load, then go and load up 9 or 10 rounds and shoot a few groups.

I have some that never reached book max, and some that went a grain higher without signs of over-pressure.

I'm mostly shooting 165gr, and the only load I have done for 150gr is a reduced one, 45gr of Varget, but it shoots well. I've found that Varget can be loaded to the book max with no problems.

Try here for load info.

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp
 
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