reloading for a 10 gauge???

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I'm new to shot shell reloading
I have a few questions
#1 what is the best wads to use for #3, #1, #2 and BB shot
#2 will I need a gas seal between the wad and powder which is the best to use??
I've got Aliant steel powder and steel shot , ill post pictures of the wads I have
loading for a browning gold 10 gauge with 30 inch barrel
and I have a mec steel master press
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d01 You need to share a little more info. Are you planning on loading lead or steel shot ? It you are loading steel shot I strongly suggest you use a wad that protects the bore from the entire shot column. That means all of the shot will be contained in the wad. There are several brands of wads such as SAM or BPI that work. Some of these wads come with no slits in the shotcup so you have to slit them yourself. More and deeper slits usually results in the pattern opening up sooner. All plastic wads that I have seen have a gas seal built in the base of the wad so another gas seal is not required. In my experience the wad doesnt care what size of shot you put in it. The choke you are using does care. I have found that with steel shot a more open choke like modified or even improved cyl will pattern the larger pellets better. Best thing to do is pattern your handloads with the different chokes you have to see which one patterns best in your gun.
 
First thing you have to do is buy a manual
Like


R.S.I. Steel Shotshell Reloading Handbook

BP will have data also for their wads
You follow what is published and tested not take loads from individuals
I have been reloading steel for the 10ga since 1992
I also don't trust my steel master and weigh every powder and shot charge but that is me
I only use sam1 wads with a full split and never a gas seal
Being in sask TNT will have everything you need
Cheers
 
thanks 3macs1
I have a manual
its (the mighty 10 ) manual

once my press gets here,
my daughter is bringing it,
I bought it and all the components, 100 pounds of un opened shot of various sizes
and 30 pounds of steel powder, as well as 1000 wads and primers,
there is a Cpl other manuals that the guy sent with it I think the one is a Lyman manual
he said he only took the press out of its box but never used it , because he sold his 10 gauge gun
and had all the components sitting there, rather then trying to sell them he just threw it all in a box with the press
he had listed the press for $250 and I thought it was a good deal , but didn't realise he threw in all the components until my daughter went and picked it all up ,
my daughter drives from Edmonton to Winnipeg every week so she is bringing it all this week for me,
i'm laid up due to a shoulder surgey, and am bored silly, so i'm chomping at the bit to get and try it all out
from what ive read it shot shell reloading is very recipe specific and quite different from rifle ammo reloading,
I also have a mec 600 press but never used it because it wont size the brass for my auto loader properly, so I have some components I got from TNT gun works in Regina
sam 1 wads I also ordered a universal powder charge bar C, but think I will go with your advice and weigh my powder and shot
 
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cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
thanks 3macs1
I have a manual
its (the mighty 10 ) manual

once my press gets here,
my daughter is bringing it,
I bought it and all the components, 100 pounds of un opened shot of various sizes
and 30 pounds of steel powder, as well as 1000 wads and primers,
there is a Cpl other manuals that the guy sent with it I think the one is a Lyman manual
he said he only took the press out of its box but never used it , because he sold his 10 gauge gun
and had all the components sitting there, rather then trying to sell them he just threw it all in a box with the press
he had listed the press for $250 and I thought it was a good deal , but didn't realise he threw in all the components until my daughter went and picked it all up ,
my daughter drives from Edmonton to Winnipeg every week so she is bringing it all this week for me,
i'm laid up due to a shoulder surgey, and am bored silly, so i'm chomping at the bit to get and try it all out
from what ive read it shot shell reloading is very recipe specific and quite different from rifle ammo reloading,
I also have a mec 600 press but never used it because it wont size the brass for my auto loader properly, so I have some components I got from TNT gun works in Regina
sam 1 wads I also ordered a universal powder charge bar C, but think I will go with your advice and weigh my powder and shot
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The best information for reloading steel shot with steel powder is in the rsi hand book. There is nothing even close out there IMO
I bought the mighty 10 and I don't think I ever used anything out of it
When reloading steel IMO shot bars including universal are just not accurate enough
For the time it takes one by one with the scale is the way I do it
Yes you can get them close with the bar but finish with the scale IMO
Also be prepared to shoot a lot of paper until you find the loads that work the best
My golds like the briley IM choke the best with the rsi reloads and remington and federal hulls
Cheers
 
for the uninitiated -
RSI is Reloading Specialties Inc.
BPI is Ballistic Products Inc.
Steel shot loading can get you into dangerous pressure territory in a hurry. Attention to detail is required. A lot of Steel shot reloaders, not just 3macs1, weigh everything.
 
shotshells are not like metallic cartridges you need to follow the loading recipe exactly substituting even something simple like a wad or primer can be catastrophic causing pressure to rise with no warning sign.

Alliant has a pretty good manual that you can get for free
 
cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
thanks 3macs1
I have a manual
its (the mighty 10 ) manual

once my press gets here,
my daughter is bringing it,
I bought it and all the components, 100 pounds of un opened shot of various sizes
and 30 pounds of steel powder, as well as 1000 wads and primers,
there is a Cpl other manuals that the guy sent with it I think the one is a Lyman manual
he said he only took the press out of its box but never used it , because he sold his 10 gauge gun
and had all the components sitting there, rather then trying to sell them he just threw it all in a box with the press
he had listed the press for $250 and I thought it was a good deal , but didn't realise he threw in all the components until my daughter went and picked it all up ,
my daughter drives from Edmonton to Winnipeg every week so she is bringing it all this week for me,
i'm laid up due to a shoulder surgey, and am bored silly, so i'm chomping at the bit to get and try it all out
from what ive read it shot shell reloading is very recipe specific and quite different from rifle ammo reloading,
I also have a mec 600 press but never used it because it wont size the brass for my auto loader properly, so I have some components I got from TNT gun works in Regina
sam 1 wads I also ordered a universal powder charge bar C, but think I will go with your advice and weigh my powder and shot
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Are you sure on the 30 pounds of powder. That is like 7 plus jugs since 4 pounders is the largest made or 1000 bucks alone
I have never heard of any one having that much on hand in STEEL . I may have 10 and that is nuts
Don't mix the lots. Older lots are different and act differently as far as pressures go
Is it over lot 18 by any chance
Cheers
 
you also need to know what hulls you are loading good news is for 10ga there isn't very many and it seems that most ammo manufactures are only make 1 or 2 types of hulls
 
antiqueguy said:
you also need to know what hulls you are loading good news is for 10ga there isn't very many and it seems that most ammo manufactures are only make 1 or 2 types of hulls
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Yes and watch the remington ones since they have different base heights pending the age
I want to say there is white, black and yellow in remington all different
Cheers
 
3macs1 said:
Are you sure on the 30 pounds of powder. That is like 7 plus jugs since 4 pounders is the largest made or 1000 bucks alone
I have never heard of any one having that much on hand in STEEL . I may have 10 and that is nuts
Don't mix the lots. Older lots are different and act differently as far as pressures go
Is it over lot 18 by any chance
Cheers
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there is 8, 1 pound cans or plastic bottles how ever you want to call em , I asked my daughter to count them and check them, all are sealed
as well, so i'm thinking for $250 it was a great deal with what you quoted me for price on powder alone, I know I bought a pound of steel powder , and paid like $42 for it a cpl years ago n and I bought 20 pounds of shot this fall at $33 for 10 pounds
 
cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
there is 8, 1 pound cans or plastic bottles how ever you want to call em , I asked my daughter to count them and check them, all are sealed
as well, so i'm thinking for $250 it was a great deal with what you quoted me for price on powder alone, I know I bought a pound of steel powder , and paid like $42 for it a cpl years ago n and I bought 20 pounds of shot this fall at $33 for 10 pounds
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That makes more sense. The press was worth what you paid let alone the rest. That powder price I had was old also
Cheers
 
Get the Lymon 5th Edition Shotshell reloading manual, it cover 10 Gauge loads in Steel and Lead. Also, it gives a better description of shell composition as most have the same basic manufacturing processes. That is not to say all are equal, but for me after years of sorting by brand and length it makes more sense on how they are made.

As for your deal - man..you hit the jackpot
 
cant_rope_the_wind01 said:
So I wrote Federal ammunition and asked them about the Black Cloud hulls
this was their reply

Federal Ammunition Product Service <Anoka.Prodserv@VistaOutdoor.com>
Tue 2019-12-10 6:06 AM

Yes, we manufacture the Black Cloud hulls.
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Cool but the question is are they identical to the standard federal 10ga hull which is what most books reference for reloading
Cheers
I cut every hull I have ever reloaded and check them dimensionally to be safe. Like remington has at least three different ones with different base heights in 10ga
I have no black cloud 10ga to check . Some of the reference ones I keep
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