Rem 783 450 Bushmaster?

Suther said:
- winchester just released the 350 legend to try and capitalize on that niche.
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was looking at it. CMMG does that caliber in an AR, it says it uses a proprietary magazine which would be good to meat our magazine laws. Time will only tell if it becomes popular. Winchester isn't the gun maker it use to be, so some other big names will have to start offering the caliber for it to really take off
 
Brian46 said:
was looking at it. CMMG does that caliber in an AR, it says it uses a proprietary magazine which would be good to meat our magazine laws. Time will only tell if it becomes popular. Winchester isn't the gun maker it use to be, so some other big names will have to start offering the caliber for it to really take off
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Wouldn't the fact it uses a propriety mag be a bad thing? It would mean you can't get 10rd pistol mags? I guess it avoids the issues that the 50beo has though and you won't get limited to less than 5?
 
Suther said:
Wouldn't the fact it uses a propriety mag be a bad thing? It would mean you can't get 10rd pistol mags? I guess it avoids the issues that the 50beo has though and you won't get limited to less than 5?
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The 350 legend is just a straight wall 223 case with a 35 cal bullet. You can use 10 rnd polymer pistol mags if you grind out the divider in the front or steel pistol mags with no modifications to the mag as they dont have that divider in them. Looks like an interesting round but its basically a rimless 357 max. The numbers on it aren't very impressive either but it would be fun to shoot about 2 boxes of it out of a semi
 
greg olmstead said:
The 350 legend is just a straight wall 223 case with a 35 cal bullet. You can use 10 rnd polymer pistol mags if you grind out the divider in the front or steel pistol mags with no modifications to the mag as they dont have that divider in them. Looks like an interesting round but its basically a rimless 357 max. The numbers on it aren't very impressive either but it would be fun to shoot about 2 boxes of it out of a semi
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I agree the numbers aren't that amazing. I wanted one when I first saw it, but only a few weeks later I'm having trouble thinking of a use for it... If I hunted out of a tree stand and didn't take shots over 100yds then it sounds like a fine choice, but I don't... And I don't like medium bore AR cartridges very much either, I feel like the 6.5grendel is about as big as you can go without losing too much velocity for my liking, unless you use bullets with dreadful ballistics and sectional densities. 450bm or 50beo would be neat for close quarters hog hunting but I don't do that either so... And as a hunter first and foremost, I see no reason to get something like that over the tried and true 45-70...

I did want a big and slow cartridge just to get some first hand experience with wound channels, how game reacts, ect to that vs the small fast stuff I typically shoot (243w, 270w, 7RM) but something like the 9.3x57 or 358win seem like much better options for that sort of thing - I'd be comfortable using either of those on moose, not so much the 350 legend...
 
Suther said:
I agree the numbers aren't that amazing. I wanted one when I first saw it, but only a few weeks later I'm having trouble thinking of a use for it... If I hunted out of a tree stand and didn't take shots over 100yds then it sounds like a fine choice, but I don't... And I don't like medium bore AR cartridges very much either, I feel like the 6.5grendel is about as big as you can go without losing too much velocity for my liking, unless you use bullets with dreadful ballistics and sectional densities. 450bm or 50beo would be neat for close quarters hog hunting but I don't do that either so... And as a hunter first and foremost, I see no reason to get something like that over the tried and true 45-70...

I did want a big and slow cartridge just to get some first hand experience with wound channels, how game reacts, ect to that vs the small fast stuff I typically shoot (243w, 270w, 7RM) but something like the 9.3x57 or 358win seem like much better options for that sort of thing - I'd be comfortable using either of those on moose, not so much the 350 legend...
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No way I'd shoot a moose or elk with a 350 legend. Just not enough punch for my liking. The bushmaster on the other hand I wouldnt hesitate to use.
 
greg olmstead said:
No way I'd shoot a moose or elk with a 350 legend. Just not enough punch for my liking. The bushmaster on the other hand I wouldnt hesitate to use.
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Oh im sure a 160gr bonded bullet going 2225fps would totally work on a moose (350 legend stats), but I'd much prefer to use something more powerful. If my 303 makes it look kinda weak, I'm not really interested... I have no interest in having to limit myself to 100yds, I own fast cartridges for a reason...
 
Suther said:
And I don't like medium bore AR cartridges very much either, I feel like the 6.5grendel is about as big as you can go without losing too much velocity for my liking,
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Remington 30 AR is the probably the best performing out of an AR 15. It out performs the Grendel. You can get 125gr factory loaded tsx at 2800 fps
 
Brian46 said:
Remington 30 AR is the probably the best performing out of an AR 15. It out performs the Grendel. You can get 125gr factory loaded tsx at 2800 fps
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Yeah but 125gr 30cal bullets have the same issue as the 450bm - poor sectional density and ballistics. At least the 6.5 grendel can shoot reasonable weights at reasonable speeds, and if you're going to compare the tsx then the 100gr 6.5 should be capable of getting up to 2800+ fps too.
 
Suther said:
Yeah but 125gr 30cal bullets have the same issue as the 450bm - poor sectional density and ballistics. At least the 6.5 grendel can shoot reasonable weights at reasonable speeds, and if you're going to compare the tsx then the 100gr 6.5 should be capable of getting up to 2800+ fps too.
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Grendel has less case capacity. 30AR is comparable to 300savage. There is 150gr loadings as well pushing similar speed
 
Hi theres a web site for 450 bushmaster called 450 bushmaster.net the other to look at is Michigan sportsman lots of good advice and info on the round I finally put mine together and will break in thye barrel and post reults
 
I have the ruger ranch in 450BM.

range is not an issue for me as I tend to shoot 100m or less. 200m would be a long shot with ability (until i get more practice)

with the ruger brake the recoil didn't feel any different than my friends 308 axis that we had out the same day

Also, I like short barreled rifles and the brake looks hella cool
 
Suther said:
So what you're saying is someone needs to neck down 30AR to 6.5mm, or 257cal just to be different? Lol
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No, 30AR out performs the Grendel as is, I converted my ACR to 30AR a couple years ago and have shot a few deer with it. I like having the availability of factory ammo rather than being forced to reload every time I want to shoot.
 
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