Rem 870 vs Moss 500

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So I've been browsing the market for a shotgun (waiting to be able to browse the EE before I decide if I want to buy local or from a person) and right now it's coming down to the remmington 870 or mossberg 500.

From what I've heard it lays out like this,

Rem 870
-dependable
-cheap
-durable

Moss 500
-reliable
-well priced
- lots of plastic and feels abit flimsy.

This being said 8 haven't had the opourtunity to hold them in store yet so this is entirely based upon what friends are telling me.
So, thoughts from the community?
 
Both will get the job done. I have both. I like the mossy safety. Both have lots of barrel options .I have shot tons of deer turkeys and ducks and geese with both. So just find one that fits ..Dutch
 
Mush will depend on which safety type you prefer. Apart from safety, they both handle very similarly, weigh almost the same, and are both reliable.

I believe the 870 to be more durable and the gun can be refinished in blue or park if it gets worn. With a moss berg, if you need to refinish it, you are left with applied finishes like bake-on paints, etc. Not a problem, but just one more consideration.
 
Why do guys suggest a old wingmaster when a guy wants to buy a new gun. Old ones don't have screw in chokes most don't have a vent rib. He asked about a 500 or a express 870. Both will get the job done for the price have lots of after market parts abs barrels. Dutch
 
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New Wingmasters are nice too.
If I had to choose between the two I'd get the express 870 over the mossberg 500. Saw a picture of a blown 500 barrel and it came apart/shattered rather than bulging, bad metal?
 
If you are comparing a new (or recent) Rem 870 Express to a 500 Mossberg you can pretty much flip a coin. Whichever you like better.

You can't compare an 870 Wingmaster to the Express. The "870" part is the only thing even remotely the same on them.

While the Express looks and feels like it was produced on a high speed machine with no human intervention the Wingmaster still looks and feels like somebody that actually knows something about guns put the thing together.

Of course you pay (minimally) double the price for that finer fit/finish.

Given the choice between a new 870 Express or a new 500 Mossy I would choose a Weatherby PA-08 or a Winchester SXP - better than both of the other choices and comes in at the same price.

Last note - an 870 Express comes with one (1) choke - modified. Everybody else includes three (3) chokes - IC/Mod and Full. Rem wants the extra 40 bucks a choke out of you for something that should come standard. If you chuck the money for a (new) Wingmaster, at least they toss in the other two chokes.
 
I second galamb's assessment, if the choice is strictly between a new 500 or new 870, you can't go wrong either way. They both have a similar feel and have proven records of reliability. Conversely, if you can find an older 870 wingmaster (which typically has better craftsmanship and a higher attention to detail in the factory), that would be the far more preferable option and the one you will most likely be happy with.
 
i prefer the location of the safety and mag release on the mossberg 500. sadly, remington ain't what it used to be. this is why people recommend the older ones over new. remington has the nickname rustington over on reddit for a reason.

I have both a 1980 mossberg, adn a 1973 870 wingmaster. (the wing master doesnt like ammo that doesn't have a brass casing. Ejection problems. Mirage and champion ammo for example.) where as the mossberg shots everything i feed it.

i prefer my mossberg even though the action on the 870 is nicer.
 
The best review I have ever read on these models or some would think that here :) Do you think I hate both of them yep ;) but to each their own since they do work and both will be just fine depending on what one expects to get out of theses more economical models
Me I would save a bit longer and buy a wingmaster, Bps or Ithaca 37 what ever one fits the best but that is just me
Cheers

The Battle of the Boat Paddles. :)

Duck Dunk
Both shotguns were dropped from 3 feet into a clay-mud hole with the action open. They stayed submerged for one minute, and the process was repeated three times. Afterward, each shotgun was rinsed out, loaded, and shot. Both accepted shells with no problem. The Mossberg’s slide became considerably more gritty than the Remington’s, but both were up to the task. Upon firing, the Remington’s trigger stuck initially, but then it worked without flaw.
Winner: The 500, because it functioned slightly better than the 870.

Deer Stand
Ever drop something out of your treestand? Us too. So after the mud bath, we dropped the shotguns from three different heights to not only test their impact resistance, but also to drive more gritty residue into the actions. We launched the shotguns from 5, 10, and then 15 feet above the ground, stock first, with the action open. Much to our chagrin, this test was anticlimactic, as each gun took the drops without issue and both guns fired flawlessly afterward.
Winner: Tie. Both shotguns can survive crash landings.

Speed Bump
Surely it doesn’t happen often, but someone out there has run over a shotgun with a truck after leaving it propped against the tailgate. So, we placed the shotguns on the ground, action up, and drove a Jeep Wrangler over the synthetic stocks twice, then over the receiver area twice. Beyond muddy tire tracks, the guns were no worse for wear. Each was fired three times after the drive-over and performed without a problem.
Winner: Again, we declared a tie as both guns took being run over in stride.

The Drag
We attached the guns to the bumper of the Wrangler and dragged them at 5 mph for 100 yards up and down a muddy, gravel road.
Both guns suffered severe road rash and had pea gravel, twigs, and mud wedged into the action and between the barrel and slide. Neither gun could be immediately cycled, but once all visible obstructions were picked free, the guns loaded, cycled, and shot without failure.
Winner: The Remington won this round because it suffered less visible damage than the Mossberg.

Oar Test
Being up a creek without a paddle sucks. But with either of these guns you can make it back home. We used each to paddle a sit-inside kayak 100 yards. The guns were surprisingly effective at moving the little boat.
After the row, we put 100 rounds through each gun, again without issue. If anything, they performed better because the water washed away debris from earlier tests.
Winner: Because the Mossberg is lighter than the 870, it is better suited for long paddles and edges out the Remington this round.

Overall winner: Since both guns survived, we could easily call it a tie. But we hate the “everyone is a winner, so give little Johnny a trophy just for showing up” attitude. A champion shall be declared. We crown the Mossberg the King of the Boat Paddles because it is, in fact, the better boat paddle. That said, either of these guns will go to hell and back and keep on shooting.
 
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If you are comparing a new (or recent) Rem 870 Express to a 500 Mossberg you can pretty much flip a coin. Whichever you like better.

You can't compare an 870 Wingmaster to the Express. The "870" part is the only thing even remotely the same on them.

While the Express looks and feels like it was produced on a high speed machine with no human intervention the Wingmaster still looks and feels like somebody that actually knows something about guns put the thing together.

Of course you pay (minimally) double the price for that finer fit/finish.

Given the choice between a new 870 Express or a new 500 Mossy I would choose a Weatherby PA-08 or a Winchester SXP - better than both of the other choices and comes in at the same price.

Last note - an 870 Express comes with one (1) choke - modified. Everybody else includes three (3) chokes - IC/Mod and Full. Rem wants the extra 40 bucks a choke out of you for something that should come standard. If you chuck the money for a (new) Wingmaster, at least they toss in the other two chokes.

The mossberg maverick 88 also comes with only one choke. It helps keep the price down on the budget guns.

I prefer the slide release on a mossberg. Its behind the trigger guard (rem is at the front) which is a much more natural place to me, as i can easily hit it without shifting my grip at all.

If you don't like the tang safety on the mossy, the maverick 88 has a crossbolt safety at the front of the trigger guard. I prefer this because i have small hands and i have to break my grip to get my thumb up to the tang safety.
 
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