Remington 700 'MLR' (new 'rem' offering)

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Any one peeked at the 'new' rem 700 MLR (medium long range) offering from remington, looks like a enhanced 700P with a detachable 'box' magazine 24" barrel with an integral muzzle brake for 2" bringing barrel length to 26"

They are avail in 308 and 338 (lapua)

Remington is starting to feel more like Harley Davidson with an extensive, at times confusing, product line, trying to squeeze in an extra 'niche' into the already crowded 700 lineup ????
 
I was just thinking before I read this that the 700 line has wayyy to many variations. Maybe they are trying to cut down on the custom market by producing all the variations people might want out of the box? Who knows... but they must be selling enough of them to make it worth there while.
 
Because a rifle that shoots MOA, or MOA+ is exactly what you'd want for "MLR" type work.

No thanks. If I want a Lapua I'll get one that shoots well enough to hit what I want to kill way far away. I doubt a factory 700 will be capable of it.
 
We sold quite a few, most guys kept them with the short factory pipe and they seem to shoot fairly well. Certainly as well as any factory rifle can.
The problem now is that the entire 700 Police line is no longer allowed to be exported from the US, courtesy of the Dept of State.
This has been discussed alot in other threads.
If you find 1 in a shop, BUY it, they are without a doubt the least expensive way to get into a 338 Lapau.
 
"700P" --- "MLR"--- "700P MLR"
Please correct me if I'm wrong , --Are they not all one in the same ----are they marked differently ?, or have differing features?
 
"700P" --- "MLR"--- "700P MLR"
Please correct me if I'm wrong , --Are they not all one in the same ----are they marked differently ?, or have differing features?

The 700P is the series, they attached the MLR designation to the Lapua chambering only.
The only difference apart from caliber is that the 338 Lapua came with HS Precision detachable mags, and a muzzle brake.
Due to the opening up of the bolt face to accept the 338 lapua casing, an AR15 style extractor was used

All 700P rifles are marked Reminton 700 only, there is no other marking to signify these are from the LE branch or Remington, so you will not find them marked 700P or LTR or MLR
 
And your experience with the MLR 338 LM is ??

None, that's why I said "I doubt". Had I shot it to confirm that it was a MOA only rifle I would have said "I know".

I'm sure it's a fine rifle but if you're talking about LR shooting, and particularly LR Hunting (which the Lapua is perfectly designed for) then MOA just isn't going to cut it. If you can't group consistently well inside MOA then you are best suited to shooting paper and game animals inside 300 yards. If you want to reach out past the half mile mark, bring a specialized tool that can handle the job every time.
 
None, that's why I said "I doubt". Had I shot it to confirm that it was a MOA only rifle I would have said "I know".

I'm sure it's a fine rifle but if you're talking about LR shooting, and particularly LR Hunting (which the Lapua is perfectly designed for) then MOA just isn't going to cut it. If you can't group consistently well inside MOA then you are best suited to shooting paper and game animals inside 300 yards. If you want to reach out past the half mile mark, bring a specialized tool that can handle the job every time.

No kidding? From my personal experience mine has been an easy 1/2 MOA driver with my handloads.

No need to dismiss the capabilities of a rifle that you have no experience with. Also, when 'setting' limitations of what a 1 MOA rifle should, can and cannot do, let's not forget the operator, handloaded vs factory ammo, etc. Getting to well under 1 MOA has never been a problem for any (5) of my Rem M700's with my handloads, of which three, including my MLR are legitimate LR rigs. Todays modern rifles nearly always have the potential to outperform the nut behind the wheel.......
 
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I'm a little confused as to the difference between a "long short range" and a "short long range" rifle. How much does one increase his range when he goes from a "short long range" to a "medium long range" rifle" Does it hurt to shoot a "medium long range" rifle at long, long range? Just how far is "medium long range"?
This is the wonderful thing about the world of firearms. Just when you think you have a pretty good handle on things, a company like Remington comees up with something new to learn. I confess to lacking considerable knowledge in the area of model designation. When some one asks me a question regarding their Model 700 PQRS short, medium magnum, I am often at a complete loss for an answer.
For many years, Winchester suffered along with a bolt action rifle called the Model 70. That was it for bolt actions. During this period, the company was largely successful. Remington once sold two models of 700. ADL (blind magazine) and BDL (hinged floorplate and plastic stock furniture). Again, they did remarkably well with this lineup. Progress often takes us in some strange directions. Regards, Bill.
 
I'm a little confused as to the difference between a "long short range" and a "short long range" rifle. How much does one increase his range when he goes from a "short long range" to a "medium long range" rifle" Does it hurt to shoot a "medium long range" rifle at long, long range? Just how far is "medium long range"?
This is the wonderful thing about the world of firearms. Just when you think you have a pretty good handle on things, a company like Remington comees up with something new to learn. I confess to lacking considerable knowledge in the area of model designation. When some one asks me a question regarding their Model 700 PQRS short, medium magnum, I am often at a complete loss for an answer.
For many years, Winchester suffered along with a bolt action rifle called the Model 70. That was it for bolt actions. During this period, the company was largely successful. Remington once sold two models of 700. ADL (blind magazine) and BDL (hinged floorplate and plastic stock furniture). Again, they did remarkably well with this lineup. Progress often takes us in some strange directions. Regards, Bill.


It's not progress Bill, just re-marketing. How else are you going to sell an old whore whose days are long past? Give her some cosmetic surgery and a new dress as voila! she's novel again.
 
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No kidding? From my personal experience mine has been an easy 1/2 MOA driver with my handloads.

No need to dismiss the capabilities of a rifle that you have no experience with. Also, when 'setting' limitations of what a 1 MOA rifle should, can and cannot do, let's not forget the operator, handloaded vs factory ammo, etc. Getting to well under 1 MOA has never been a problem for any (5) of my Rem M700's with my handloads, of which three, including my MLR are legitimate LR rigs. Todays modern rifles nearly always have the potential to outperform the nut behind the wheel.......

The 700's have two components worthy of consideration, the action and the trigger. In some of the more recent examples the triggers aren't anything to write home about either. I too have owned a number of M-700 rifles. Some of these I've kept factory and some I've had tweaked. The tweaked rifles always outshoot the factory rifles. The accuracy difference might not be a useful advantage for a big game rifle but the consistancy improvement is. To remain competitive, there is no way Remington can match the bedding, barrel quality, or finishing of a custom rifle with an off the shelf product.

Anyone who purchases an off the shelf 700 and expects it to shoot with a custom rifle, will be disappointed, if they have seen a custom rifle shoot. A half MOA factroy rifle is unlikely to shoot half minute groups 500 yards down range, and the .338 Lapua round has the trajectory and retained velocity potential for hits 3 times that far. The advantage of the off the shelf rifles is instant availability, not quality. Rather than driving their customers into the waiting arms of the custom rifle builders, you would think Remington would prefer to keep them in the fold, but the mass produced product mindset seems unwilling to shift gears in this manner.

I think there is a market for the .338 Lapua. I think it is was wise to market rifles chambered for that round in both an off-the-rack and a custom version. Rather than bringing out endless off-the-rack versions of the same rifle, Remington would be much farther ahead to direct folks to their custom shop where 40X rifles would be built to the customer's specifications. The customer then has input to the features he wants on his rifle and that results in a more satisfied customer. The way it works now, Remington dresses a rifle up in a Halloween costume, hangs a provocative name on it, and markets it as a new product rather than attempting to produce a better product.

Given Remington's purchasing power, elements from big name makers could be provided at discounted prices and specialized machine work could be done for a fraction of the cost of what a small shop would have to charge. The customer could have a choice of a Kreiger, Heart or other barrel with a specific twist, cut to a specific length, and chambered for a specific bullet. Instead of a stock supplied by the lowest tender price, a McMillan, Sheehane, Robertson, or some other could be supplied on a cost plus basis. Other specialty services could be provided such as an under forearm rail, right hand bolt - left hand ejection, and many other specialty items the custom builders are very good at supplying. This represents revenue Remington could have for themselves and rather than making $100 profit on each unit produced, they could realize $1000 profit per rifle that would otherwise go to a small shop. While perhaps this is not the best thing for the firearms industry or even for the shooting public, it would certainly be better for Remington. Until they see that, the small shops are in an enviable position.

Canada is not a huge market, but it is a market that Remington's marketing people have now closed to a portion of the company's product line. This is not due to any feature of the rifle other than the name they marketed it under. A Remington 40X chambered for .338 Lapua is not going to raise any alarm bells with the State Department regardless of the color its painted.
 
Anyone who purchases an off the shelf 700 and expects it to shoot with a custom rifle, will be disappointed, if they have seen a custom rifle shoot. A half MOA factroy rifle is unlikely to shoot half minute groups 500 yards down range,.

I disagree only in that many would have you believe that a custom rifle is the only way to achieve reliable accuracy (I am not talking BR comp rifles here, which are obviously beyond factory capabilities). My point is only that nothing is more important than tuning the rifle that you have, factory or custom. Simple truth is a custom rifle won't make a better LR shot if the shooter doesn't do his part. While I do not doubt that the factory rifles can be hit or miss, I have had very good results with mine, and wouldn't presume anything until I have thoroughly tested them for myself. These are some witnessed 600 m group and 700 m groups from my factory Remington SPS SS in 300 RUM ($600 rifle, plus bedding & trigger work) - I have a collection of these from my various factory M700's.

Having said all this, I do in fact own a custom rifle, and I currently have plans for a new, longer custom barrel, custom brake, etc for my MLR 338 LM (not for lack of accuracy, but performance as a whole), but to infer that factory rifles can't shoot is incorrect, at least from my experience...

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The counter argument is how can you learn to read conditions and shoot sub MOA when your rifle can't do that? I certainly understand that not every shooter wants to be a competitive precision shooter, but I AM sure that nearly every shooter wants the smallest group and the most accurate shot placement he can get.

What pysses me off is the fact that it is absolutely possible for arms manufacturers to produce barrels of significantly better quality, but barrels remain the weakest link in factory rifles and it is a total crap shoot as to whether you'll get one that's any good or not.
 
The counter argument is how can you learn to read conditions and shoot sub MOA when your rifle can't do that? I certainly understand that not every shooter wants to be a competitive precision shooter, but I AM sure that nearly every shooter wants the smallest group and the most accurate shot placement he can get.

What pysses me off is the fact that it is absolutely possible for arms manufacturers to produce barrels of significantly better quality, but barrels remain the weakest link in factory rifles and it is a total crap shoot as to whether you'll get one that's any good or not.

I heard that Remington barrels cost $29.00 to make I heard this from a Remington Military rep
 
I heard that Remington barrels cost $29.00 to make I heard this from a Remington Military rep

Same thing I heard, this was confirmed by the maker as well, all you need to do is buy X many to get the price.
An expensive barrel from the same maker is $92.00 if you buy in lots of 10.
The guys who form the 700 action charge even less than that per action and sell it by the foot.
 
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