Remington 700 potentially UNSAFE? (Update)

Every issue has a recurring theme... People messing with the trigger... Leave the gun as is or get a good aftermarket trigger like a timney and you won't have issues... And stop thinking that every smith is created equal...
 
I honestly don't know how many 700, 721/22/25, etc Remington's I have owned. More then I can remember anyway, and my memory isn't that bad. None of them had these issues unless the trigger was "adjusted" in one way or another. I can see where the same thing could happen through stacking tolerances and worn machinery, but the numbers and instances would be extremely low. I'll still buy Remington's , and I will still do my own trigger jobs. - dan
 
cocksure said:
In the recent 8541 tactical mail call Monday he addresses the "problem" with the old remington trigger. Apparently the old trigger system safety blocked the firing pin and not the trigger itself. If the rifle was tampered with or very dirty the firing pin would fail to engage the sear when the safety was removed; possibly causing a discharge. It apparently took quite a bit to make the system fail, but it could happen. The new Xmark now blocks the trigger itself. Older 700 triggers can be swapped for jewel or timney units that also block the trigger if you feel you are incapable of maintaining your property.
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The old trigger system cammed the sear against the cocking piece, away from the trigger, locking the sear against the cocking piece. This positively prevented the firing pin from falling. The sear could not drop to release the striker and firing pin.
If, because of dirt, rust, congealed lubricants, or poor adjustment, the trigger/trigger connector did not move freely under pressure from the trigger return spring to re-engage the sear, the firing pin could drop when the safety was released, or the trigger connector might not engage the sear properly, and the rifle could fire if the bolt handle was touched, etc.
The design is good. Maintenance, set-up and proper adjustment are critical.
 
tiriaq said:
The old trigger system cammed the sear against the cocking piece, away from the trigger, locking the sear against the cocking piece. This positively prevented the firing pin from falling. The sear could not drop to release the striker and firing pin.
If, because of dirt, rust, congealed lubricants, or poor adjustment, the trigger/trigger connector did not move freely under pressure from the trigger return spring to re-engage the sear, the firing pin could drop when the safety was released, or the trigger connector might not engage the sear properly, and the rifle could fire if the bolt handle was touched, etc.
The design is good. Maintenance, set-up and proper adjustment are critical.
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Well put, and just goes to show that most gun owners are a bit lax in knowledge on how to maintain their goods.
Just like most vehichle owners know "F-all" about maintaining their rides.
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I happen to be one of those guys that you folks dont agree with.
I MODIFIED the trigger on a 700 SPS Var. down to 8 ounces, yes, 8 ounces.
I then proceeded to drop it in a Boyd's thumbhole stock.
Drilled the receiver for custom base, mounted a Pentax.

Modifications that should cause countless problems according to some.

I ONLY shoot at the range, I do not hunt, period.

For the life of me, I could not get that rifle to fire accidentally, and I tried.
Excellent, reliable rifle, with adequate accuracy at 300 yards.
I would NOT hesitate to buy another.

Sorry folks, too many rifles.
The 8 ounce trigger is on my Savage 12 BR, the Rem. trigger is about 1 LBS
varies a bit up and down on the scale.
 
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Some guys like to tinker some guys like to fix things till they break and claim it is the mechanical bit of kit that is at fault.
If people would keep their booger pickers of the bang button their would not even be this discussion imo.
So, does anyone recall this alleged factory defect first appeared on NBC ?
Best Regards,
Rob
 
Madmardigan said:
Nonsence. It's nothing more than people who don't know how to safely handel a firearm. If they were that unsafe do you think they would still be selling them?
The question is, why did those people have a loaded gun pointed at somebody? The only people to blame for those negligent disharges was the person holding the gun.
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This. End of story.
 
This is the same group of lawyers who attempted the same type of charges against the Remington 870. They seem to be anti-firearms activists attempting to put a big hurt on Remington as one avenue to gun control.

Bankrupt a major firearms manufacturer by forcing them to recall millions of their best-selling products.

--or--

If the suit proves frivolous, then at least you've spread enough bunkum to put a major hurt on the manufacturer's reputation.

You win either way.

They are devious #######s who now call themselves 'gun safety advocates' to whitewash what they really are.
 
Remington did their own investigation (see Remington's website) using random unaffiliated firearms experts to evaluate every single rifle that was shown or mentioned in NBC's documentary and found that every single one of them had either been modified to dangerously out of spec tolerances or the firearm had been so neglected (maintenance and abuse) that any firearm, much less an R700, would have issues. Bottom line, as mentioned above, it was a smear campaign to try and bring down one of the big guys in the industry.
 
Well they sold over 5,000,000 of them so there may have been a few problems but for the most part they are a pretty good rifle, I own one and love it. Cheers roscoe
 
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