Remington 870 Super Mag Problem?

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So I finally got a chance to take my 870 Super Mag out to bust some clays today, got the gun in September, and before today I have only ever shot 4 shells out of it in the fall during hunting season.

Problem #1

First off I found that the gun jammed shut on me a few times, after a shot it would be so hard to pull the action back I almost thought it would never un jam but after putting my full pull into it a few times I finally got the shell to eject. Any suggestions?

Problem #2

The ejector spring looks f**ked compared to my winchester, it's so flat no spring to it at all no wonder it's not ejecting the shells? What's up with this?
Below is some pics of my winchester (black) and the remington, let me just say I am not impressed have heard of some problems with the 870's but never knew it would be this bad, if it's a simple fix then it will be alright don't really want to send it back to remington unless I have to, my winchester cycles like butter and ejects shells like 5 feet away and I was hoping that the 870 would be some what comparable.

As always any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Winchester spring, nice and springy :)

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Remington Spring :(

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I am pretty sure the hard extraction is due to machining burrs on the barrel extension just back of the recess for the rim of the cartridge. I have observed (and fixed) this on dozens of newer 870's; particularly the express models. The ejector spring really is not a serious problem. It can only pop up as far as the bolt will allow. From the photos I think it is probably working as it should.
 
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ironnose said:
I am pretty sure the hard extraction is due to machining burrs on the barrel extension just back of the recess for the rim of the cartridge. I have observed (and fixed) this on dozens of newer 870's; particularly the express models. The ejector spring really is not a serious problem. It can only pop up as far as the bolt will allow. From the photos I think it is probably working as it should.
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I don't really understand what you mean in the first part of your response??? Well there is absolutely no spring at all in the ejector spring it's pretty much flat with just a bend in the spring there really is no spring action at all compared to my winchester, if this is normal that is cool, is there something I can do to fix this on my own?
 
The spring is normally like that on 870's.

Take the barrel off, and look for sharp burrs in the chamber and action and smooth them off with a light honing stone, or take it back to where you bought it and tell them you are not satisfied that they sell a product that is garbage out of the box.
 
What brand of shells? the cheapo canadian tire or walmart shells will give you a hard time and jamb it shut. The rough machining will grab onto the cheap expanded aluminum hulls and hold it in there.

The fix is simple and easy, use a drill and a cleaning rod and polish the chamber and you'll be good to go.

Stay away from the cheap aluminum hulls.
 
I will try to polish it up, a gun should be able to shoot any shells if they are cheap Winchester shells from Wal Mart or expensive ones in my opinion, and the reason for picking this gun was wanting a pump that could handle 3 1/2 inch shells, you would think a remington 870 wouldn't be such a peice of.
 
I have had the same experience with shells binding in a couple of different 870's.. all of them work perfectly in warmer weather, the binding only happens below freezing. there are no apparent sharp edges any suggestions?
 
The first thing you want to do is try some different ammo. I had one 870 that would jam shut using Federals Blackcloud, but was fine with everything else. My guess is certain shells brass is just too soft. My current 870 eats everything. With that being said I've heard of this problem with the 3.5" guns, I had one and it was perfect with anything I fed it. Either I was lucky, or my shell theory stands.
 
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I will try to polish it up, a gun should be able to shoot any shells if they are cheap Winchester shells from Wal Mart or expensive ones in my opinion, and the reason for picking this gun was wanting a pump that could handle 3 1/2 inch shells, you would think a remington 870 wouldn't be such a peice of.
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Pick up an 870 Wingmaster, and you'll know how a pump shotgun is supposed to feel
 
pharaoh2 said:
Pick up my Express and you'll know what a pumpgun is supposed to feel like that actually comes out of the safe. ;)
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My Wingmaster gets dragged through the nastiest junk you can find. Its a workhorse, and a damn good one (its got the scars and the kills to prove it). And it never fails.

Maintenance > not using a gun cause its pretty

My wife refused to use her express after using my Wingmaster. Now my Wingmaster has a twin
 
Here's my two cents worth:
Nothings new here mate! Have been repairing shotguns for the last 30 years plus and usually 2 out of three are Remy's! Reality is: the 'big green' factory did 'loose the plot' a long time ago and have been producing basic 'c**p' for the last 15-20 years plus!
Yet, either no one really seems to take notice or customers simply just don't seem to care, as people still keep on buying their 'inferior' products!! Funny; over the last 3 decades I've seen no real ground-breaking new gun-designs emerge from their plant! Ironically: the better products on their product-list are either being imported from W-Europe or are being produced by others (out-sourced) inside the US itself and then stamped with the 'Big Greens' name.
In my book; the better 'middle of the road' quality & value for money shotguns are still being produced by Benelli, Beretta (Italy), Miroku/Browning & SKB (Japan). Fact is: one seldom sees one of these in for repairs!
Nough said!
J.K.

>>As 'Gunlover' puts it:
"You'll get what you've paid for" and any Perazzi or krieghoff comes with quite a higher price-tag then the beforementioned and is towards the higher end of the competition-shotgun market!
 
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Pick up an Perazzi MX8 or MX12, and you'll know how a good shotgun is supposed to feel

That being said, I do own a Super Mag 870 and it'll digest anything I feed it without any problem at all. I did have to smooth the surfaces where the part that locks the action bar once the gun is loaded (I can't remember how it's called) and the action bar itself meet. They were a little rough and at an angle that made the gun hard to pump once the shell in the chamber was fired. Now I can pump it quite fast without a problem.

You do get what you pay for, though, these are cheap guns and there's no way around that. Yes, there are many, many better shotguns out there, but you'll have to pay for that quality. And if you don't believe me, just handle one of the above mentioned Perazzis and then ask how much it costs. You will very quickly see what I mean.
 
I have the same, avoid the cheap winchester clay load with aluminium base and you are okay.

shoota said:
So I finally got a chance to take my 870 Super Mag out to bust some clays today, got the gun in September, and before today I have only ever shot 4 shells out of it in the fall during hunting season.

Problem #1

First off I found that the gun jammed shut on me a few times, after a shot it would be so hard to pull the action back I almost thought it would never un jam but after putting my full pull into it a few times I finally got the shell to eject. Any suggestions?

Problem #2

The ejector spring looks f**ked compared to my winchester, it's so flat no spring to it at all no wonder it's not ejecting the shells? What's up with this?
Below is some pics of my winchester (black) and the remington, let me just say I am not impressed have heard of some problems with the 870's but never knew it would be this bad, if it's a simple fix then it will be alright don't really want to send it back to remington unless I have to, my winchester cycles like butter and ejects shells like 5 feet away and I was hoping that the 870 would be some what comparable.

As always any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Winchester spring, nice and springy :)

win1.jpg



win2.jpg





Remington Spring :(

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janesy said:
What brand of shells? the cheapo canadian tire or walmart shells will give you a hard time and jamb it shut. The rough machining will grab onto the cheap expanded aluminum hulls and hold it in there.

The fix is simple and easy, use a drill and a cleaning rod and polish the chamber and you'll be good to go.

Stay away from the cheap aluminum hulls.
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Janesy hit the nail on the head. I had my 870 Express jam on me on my upland hunt in Manitoba when a bunch of Hun's lifted off my gun jammed up. It took everything I had to open that dam chamber. I was shooting the cheap aluminum hull shells and the chamber was rough. I used a drill, cleaning rod with a 12ga brush wrapped in 0000 steel wool with some metal polish. Basically polished my chamber for about 3-5min and presto no more hang up's with the cheap shell. Give it a try, I know my uncle had the similar problem with his as well and they both shoot great.
 
I forgot to add las time... the extractor in mine doesn't look much different than the one in yours, it may just be bent a little bit more inwards, but not much. Here's a couple of pics:

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Mine is a relatively older model, about 7 years old. I haven't tried the alluminum base shells, but it has never jammed with brass base shells. I checked the chamber and it feels pretty smooth to me, so I guess I lucked out. :dancingbanana: However, mine did come with the STUPID dimples on the mag tube, so I had to drill them out in order for the mag extension to work.
 
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