Remington Model 14 in Cdn Svc?

[Bittermansbro]

I am looking at purchasing a Remington Model 14 1/2 in 44-40, don't know much about them, what makes things super confusing/interesting is that the barrel forward the received on the right hand side is stamped with a Dominion of Canada proof mark.

Did we use these rifles in WWI?

 

[Killer Kanuck]

I think it was actually the Brits that ordered them (since we were closer they sent a Canadian down to inspect them). From what I've read they were intented to go to their Navy, but I don't know where or if they were actually used.

 

[Bittermansbro]

Thanks KK, that's more info than I had an hour ago (didn't even know Rem had a pump rifle....)

Have to dig up some Remington collectors to get a value on this now!

 

[Willy Tincup]

Model 14 1/2 made only in 38 wcf and 44wcf from 1912 to 1925......while model 14's made till 1935. I believe they were used in the Federal Jails and thus the D of Canda markings........but I'm no history buff........wTc

 

[Bittermansbro]

mmm jail gun. I have to try and explain the full pistol grip cheek rest stock and jewelled bolt now.....unless it was a higher grade option, I got a feeling they aren't right.

 

[Killer Kanuck]

Bittersmanbro - they should look like this

And if this is the marking

It's one of the 4000 ordered by Britain during WWI.

 

[Bittermansbro]

Thats exactly what and where the stamps are on this one:

BUT...the bolt is jewelled and the butt stock isn't right

 

[Willy Tincup]

Someone could have easily jewelled the bolt. The butt stock definetly looks like a replacement.

 

[Killer Kanuck]

Someone could have easily jewelled the bolt. The butt stock definetly looks like a replacement.

 

[canuck]

I've posted this info about the DCP marked 14 1/2s before -I recieved it via a prominant member of the Remington Society of America

I love to talk about these old Remingtons. In regard to the 14½, no one knows how many were made but I personally think the number is somewhere around 10,000. Part of this is based on the fact that 4000 were ordered for the British Navy for use in WWI. JP Morgan was the agent for the British government, and the order is dated October, 1915, I believe. I have it in my files but am too lazy to dig it out. Anyway, Britain contracted with the Canadian Proof House to send representatives to the factory to proof the rifles. They also purchased 20,000 44-40 rifles from Winchester, and these were also to be proofed by Canada. After the war, maybe as late as 1926, the rifles were sold as surplus, and they ended up in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and, of course, the United States.

Here is the one I own, I paid around $400 IIRC

 

[Bittermansbro]

Thanks Canuck, how long ago was it that you bought that Rem?

 

[canuck]

It would be a couple of years ago I guess.
I've seen two others recently asking for a bit more - maybe $450/$500 (at Epps and they didn't last long)
There was a fellow at the Torrington gunshow last year that had 3 for sale - all in various states of disrepair - I believe he wanted $375 for the best one but it was too rough for my interests.

 

[Bittermansbro]

Well this one is significantly more, hence my trepidation. Frankly I really want the thing, but with the bolt and buttstock not being correct...I dunno.
If it was all correct, probably wouldn't be a prob.