Remington Mosin Nagant M1891 - how rare?

[Horilka]

Hi guys,
I'm not really MN collector but I like M1891 model so I picked up this Remington. Turned out she is non-finned, all original (all small parts have "R") rifle. She also has "US" and flaming bomb stamp on stock. It looks she had seen a lot of action, probably in Siberia in 1918–1919. Other M1891 I have seen here in Canada were finned. So my question is how rare non-finned MNs M1891 in Canada? And what is the value of this rifle?

Faint US and flaming bomb stamp

Regards, Oleg.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Very likely never have made it to Russia. US cancelled delivery when the Tsarist regime fell and most of the American made were issued as training rifles for the rifle short US army.


U.S. Rifle, 7.62 mm, Model of 1916: Due to the desperate shortage of arms and the shortcomings of a still-developing domestic industry, the Russian government ordered 1.5 million M1891 infantry rifles from Remington Arms and another 1.8 million from New England Westinghouse in the United States. Some of these rifles were not delivered before the outbreak of the October Revolution and the subsequent signing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk which ended hostilities between the Central Powers and Russia. When the Bolsheviks took over the Russian government, they defaulted on the Imperial Russian contracts with the American arsenals, with the result that New England Westinghouse and Remington were stuck with hundreds of thousands of Mosin–Nagants. The US government bought up the remaining stocks, saving Remington and Westinghouse from bankruptcy. The rifles in Great Britain armed the US and British expeditionary forces sent to North Russia in 1918 and 1919. The rifles still in the US ended up being primarily used as training firearms for the US Army. Some were used to equip US National Guard, SATC and ROTC units. Designated "U.S. Rifle, 7.62mm, Model of 1916", these are among the most obscure U.S. service arms. In 1917, 50,000 of these rifles were sent via Vladivostok to equip the Czechoslovak Legions in Siberia to aid in their attempt to secure passage to France

Grizz

 

[Horilka]

Yeah, I understand she had never been in Russian service, the most she had probably seen is short trip to Siberia. Or may like you said stayed home in US.

 

[points]

The US bailed Remington out on a lot of these. They were put into service in WW1 for training and rear echelon troops. They were then surplused out. So, a lot of them stayed in the US.

 

[desporterizer]

If it was in good shape, it would be worth a healthy premium over a Fin-ed example. As it is $200-300 to the right person. Did you buy it at Epps?

 

[Crazyest Canuck]

Isn't that reffered to as the "Archangel" mossin nagant rifle?

 

[Horilka]

Thanks, guys. Yep, this one from Epps. Now I just need Chatellerault MN to complete my "not-a-big-fan-of" M1891 colelction. Tula, Izh, NEW and Remington are in place.