Remington or Browning Titanium?

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I have decided to start looking for a Titanium action bolt action rifle and have basically decided on either the Remington 700 Alaskan TI (around 6 lbs):

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_Alaskan_Ti.asp

or the Browning A-Bolt Mountain Titanium (around 5 lbs 8 oz):

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=001B&cat_id=035&type_id=038

This gun will be used for hunting including moose, deer, etc.

Although I've had a preference for Remington firearms in the past, the Browning model is appealing to me because of the magazine design (drop floor plate with detachable magazine) and the relatively short bolt lift of 60 degrees.

I will probably looking at the short magnum calibers such as 300 or 325 WSM.

I realize that the Browning model has some composite material on the bolt and I like the fluting of the barrel and the design of the bolt on the Remington but it's price is around $400 more than the Browning.

I would appreciate any comments you might have on these two models and their choice of calibers. Weight is a big factor for me and as far as hunting firearms, I have a wide range of calibers in various configurations all the way up to 375 H&H Magnum.

All comments are welcome including trivial ones.

Thanks,

Duke1
 
Duke i have the Browning Stainless Stalker A-bolt in 300wsm...Its as close to the Titanium Browning as you can get (just over 6lb) I love the rifle but will say i find it quite snappy...not sure if its the 23" barrel causing it or if its because of the weigh of the rifle...I'm leaning towards the weight! All in all though i do not regret buying it one bit! And the 300WSM is great caliber, nice light short action rifle with lots of spunk!
 
Browning makes good rifles, but the detachable floorplate mag design sucks the big one. It should be a detachable or a floorplate, not both combined.
I have had very good luck with Remington rifles for the past 35 years, no sense fixing something that isn't busted.
The new Remington's don't appear to have the quality control of the older ones and I tend to stay with the older blued versions with nice hardwood stock.....plastic...functional...but ick for looks.:eek:
 
Both are quality brand names, but very lightweight for the calibre. If you are saving $400buying the Browning thats the way I would go. The detachable magazine and floorplate saves a lot of effort loading and unloading.
 
I'd go with the Browning if it was me. They're well made and while some don't like the magazine, it's never caused me any difficulty though I've only hunted with 2 examples. My brother has the Stainless Stalker 30-06 (I actually shot my first caribou with it when I was about 15 when my dad still owned it) and it's quite accurate with 180 grain Nosler Partitions, though he mostly uses 165s. Mine is a custom built 25-06 based on a stainless action (bought it for $125) and Gaillard barrel built by #### Pietsch in Calgary in 2000. Though I've owned it for 9 years I'm embarassed to say that I haven't even got a load worked up for it yet. Dad did some preliminary load development with 120 grain and 117 grain pills but I'd like to tinker with it and try somer Bergers out. Should shoot quite well once it's dialed in.
 
I am honestly not that much of a fan of the Browning TI to tell you the truth, even though I LOVE my stainless stalker like someone else mentioned. The mag is a functional, if different approach, and I too have never had any problems with it. My major issue with the TI is the action, it is the last thing on the planet I would describe as smooth and easy to cycle. Quite frankly the action is a POS for the kind of money you are going to pay. That being said maybe you can get it a lot smoother then I have ever been, and if so mine shoots superbly. Everything I stick down its throat shoots sub moa, hand loads, factory, bargin bin in the 300wsm. I just felt for the kind of money, it should be as smooth and nice cycling as a comparable Sako finnlite or even a tikka T3.
 
I wouldn't get either one. Not a fan of the Browning and the $2500 tag on the Rem is too much.

If you are concerned with weight, get a Rem 700 Mountain LSS or Model 7, sell the laminate stock and buy a McMillan EDGE graphite stock for it. Put a VX3 2.5-8x36mm on it in Talley LW rings, and you'll still be under the cost of the Ti alone...

Should be 6.5lbs scoped...
 
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I've seen 2 rem ti that were junk;ie would not shoot to similar poa 2 shots in row. Talk to a honest factory repair gunsmith and ask. I will cary the extra & be happy. I don't beat up the guns so I don't need the ti. This is again, personal pref. If you buy make sure you have a dealer that will stand behind you & help if there is a prob. Good luck AJ
 
You may want to consider one of the older Remington Ti's if you can find one.
I have one of the older Ti's in .308 with nothing done to it other than the factory trigger adjusted by myself and making sure the original stock was torqued to correct specifications.
I haven't put more than a little over 50 rounds through it so far, but I found that with cheap winchester factory ammo it would group around 2 inches or so at 100m. With a load I worked up using relatively cheap hunting bullets I got consistent sub 1 inch groupings.
See an older thread I started about it here...

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279307
 
:agree: X 2

Buddy has an older model Ti (~ 2003-ish) in .260 Rem. What a beautiful, lightweight, accurate rifle that is. IIRC they were available in RSAUM Calibers, though I doubt that I would want to be shooting too many of those in a such a light rifle. As has already been mentioned, Remington Mountain rifle is always a good one too.
I am not really a fan of the Brownings, especially how the factory stock fits me.
 
ive actually held both the rem titanium new model and the rem titanium old model i prefer the old model seems to fit me better .a friend of mine owns the browning titanium in a 270 short mag .that one seems to fit me ok .i think i would like the older rem titanium in a 3006.that would be a nice lightweight mnt rifle.
 
Mh....I had a Ti......I ended up going to a 700 Mountain LSS in 7/08 for the last 4-5 years. There isn't an animal in NA that I can't hunt with it (140 TSX at around 2800 FPS) and wearing a 2.5-8X36 VX III it is light enough even with the factory laminate. If I didn't have a huge hate-on for synthetic stocks, I could replace the factory "wood" and get it even lighter. The gun shoots the first two shots into the same hole @ 100, and is a joy to carry....and not punishing to shoot :)

Once this new rifle I ordered (frontier in .338 fed) comes in and I get to see if it shoots, I may see about either going to a lightweight stock/having some machining done on the LSS to see if I can get it under 6lbs.....or I may just sell it.....will have to see :)

WW
 
Remington Ti is the biggest rip-off in the lightweight market.
$2200 for this POS is absurd. Browning is definitley the higher quality piece.
Consider the Kimber Montana, and Weatherby ULW.
 
Thanks for all the inputs.

I did find one - an earlier Remington 700 TI Lightweight for $1299 new(US MSRP $1600 USD or so). This is the model before the Alaskan version and it has a few features that don't appeal to me.

1. It has a blind magazine (2 rounds) - not my kind of setup for hunting as far as I'm concerned.

2. It is in 300 SAUM - not a very popular caliber and relatively expensive for ammo (around $45 a box)

3. It does not have the fluted barrel but the bolt body is fluted.

On the plus side, it's around $1000 less than the Alaskan model.

Overall, from what I have seen here and on the Internet, the Browning might be the one. I will try to find one locally to see how it feels, etc. I will also try a Remington but don't believe I would ever pay $2400 for one.

Thanks again,

Duke1
 
I did find a Browning TI Mountain in 300 WSM at LeBaron in Ottawa and had a close look at it. I don't like the tang safety - very stiff and noisy and I'm less than impressed with quality of the machining of the various metal parts. Also, the LOP seemed a bit short for me but on the plus side, the weight is unbelievable light and the Bell & Carlson stock is excellent

They didn't have the Remington Alaskan TI but they did have a Remington Mountain and the quality including the safety were miles ahead of the Browning.

Based on this, the Browning TI is no longer on my list but will not buy anything until I have a chance to handle all candidates include the Weatherby MK V Ultra Lightweight, the Sako 85 Finnlight S/S Synth, etc.

Duke1
 
Have you thought about a Kimber I don't know what model it is but I held one yesterday in 308Win it is supposed to be the lightest mountain rifle out there.

I was amazed at how light it was.
 
I'd go with the Remington 700 hands down. The crappy magazine system on the Browning is one of the principal reasons I have for NOT buying one! I certainly don't consider it a selling point! The Brownings I've handled haven't impressed me with their accuracy either.
 
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