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I have a remy r5 milspec with a 11.25 twist rate 24'' barrel .308, i will be reloading the rds for this rifle, was wondering what weight of bullets should i be shooting out of this, i have good brass nosler and lapua if that helps.

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ultimate_monkey said:
175 smk set about .015" off the lands if you want to get way out, 168 gn if your staying under 500 yds
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The optimum bullet weight is 150 - 155 grain for long distance .308 shooting. Any heavier, the bullet starts to drop off rapidly after about 250 yards.

Get youself some Nosler Custom Competion HPBT 155 grain bullets. They work real nice in my Remington .308 heavy barrel rifle.

http://www.nosler.com/Bullets/Custom-Competition.aspx

I pack behind it 45.0 grains of H-4895 gun powder.

Try it, it's a real nice load.
 
I've been using 168gr Amax in my 5R, and they've worked nicely, but I'm gonna be switchign over to 175 SMK's. In my opinion, a little extra drop is acceptable in exchange for the slightly less wind drift, since drop is easier (in my opinion) to compensate for cuz it's always consistent.

for the record tho, I haven't tried the 150-155gr range so my opinions are all based on theory for that.
 
took my 5r out to 1160 yards on 8 inch balloons tacked to a 4x2 ft target with 168 SMK. 42.5 grains and 44 grains of varget. Also use 185 berger vlds. I only use 175 SMK if the target starts @ 400 yards and i am just making hits not groups. This summer my goal is 1300 yards on that 4x2 with some 8 inch balloons on it. I know its a stretch to call the balloons at that range but i'll give it a go. After i took the 8 inch balloons out at 1160, my groups were just a bit over 10 inches. Pretty good for a stock action.I ended up changing the stock to the Pst 025. Pure action drop in by hs precision and i added a jewell benchrest trigger @ 1 lb pull. I set my rig up for hits at distance. I am not interested in the fclass stuff so i set my trigger pull light. It makes a big difference if you ever get into long range. Small trigger flinches makes up big inch misses at long range. When i was using the heavier bullets it was much better for windage as for elevation, i am not concerned cuz i have 78.25 MOA up. My 168 loads are 1050ish @ 1150 yards according to the chrony and it takes almost 3 seconds for the bullet to hit and its neat to watch in a spotting scope. Major arc. Funny how that looks seeing the bullet lob 40 ft in the air. I've never used lighter than 168. I would stick with the 185 but they are hard to get.
 
kevguy said:
The optimum bullet weight is 150 - 155 grain for long distance .308 shooting. Any heavier, the bullet starts to drop off rapidly after about 250 yards.
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i suck spent caseings at calling wind haha drop is much easier for me to deal with, so i prefere the heavy less drifting rounds
 
Yeah it's pretty interesting to see how bullets work. My loads are around 2500. not fast at all. my buddy was shooting with me one day and he had is 7mm blazing at 3100. he was spotting for me at 400 yards and said he was seeing the bullet. We called BS on him. Switched roles and no joke..you could see the bullet. Started shooting at 800 yards and the same thing. Not that much of a lob.This really helped for tracking shots through a spotting scope. Lighting conditions are a must though. i find on sunny days it is easier to see the bullet but on overcast days you can pick the vapour trail up more. But i will continue to use the 168 for the long range stuff. My 5r likes it. My load for 175 SMK is 41 grains of varget, seated at 2.810 with 210 primers and hornady match brass. My best 100 yard with it is .46 MOA. On average though its most .75 MOA. My 5r really never liked the 175. Even the factory match stuff.
 
ultimate_monkey said:
i suck spent caseings at calling wind haha drop is much easier for me to deal with, so i prefere the heavy less drifting rounds
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I have to agree with Kevguy.

From a theory stand point, 155 gr have less drift AND less drop at all practical distances.

You can punch out a 155 Lapua Scenar at 3000 fps. But, as bullet weight goes up your case capacity goes down and you have to worry more about pressure. So most heavier bullets are lucky to see 2700 fps from a .308WIN.

I did up a test load with 220SMK's, but I could not get them moving any faster than 2400 FPS. With it moving so slow, it only starts to gain on the 155 scenar once you pass the 1000 yard line.

Heres some numbers generated on JBM:

155scenar 3000fps @ 1000 yds = 307" drop and 98" for 10 MPH Xwind
175SMK 2700fps @ 1000 yds = 389" drop and 115" for 10 MPH Xwind
220SMK 2400fps @ 1000 yds = 433" drop and 98" for 10 MPH Xwind

155scenar 3000fps @ 1700 yds = 1680" drop and 368" for 10 MPH Xwind
175SMK 2700fps @ 1700 yds = 2037" drop and 399" for 10 MPH Xwind
220SMK 2400fps @ 1700 yds = 2030" drop and 337" for 10 MPH Xwind

I guess this explains why the TR guys are happy to use 155's all the way out to 900 meters. With an extra long barrel they can get them moving faster than 3000 FPS and have even less drop/drift to worry about.
 
I'm not sure if it is the bullet you see, or the actual vapor trail from the air disturbance it creates. I was shooting my .308 Win at 500 yards with 155 gr HPBT and my spotter said he could "see" the bullet. After I sized it up, we seemed to think it was the vapor trail the bullet makes, not the actual bullet.

R700 said:
Yeah it's pretty interesting to see how bullets work. My loads are around 2500. not fast at all. my buddy was shooting with me one day and he had is 7mm blazing at 3100. he was spotting for me at 400 yards and said he was seeing the bullet. We called BS on him. Switched roles and no joke..you could see the bullet. Started shooting at 800 yards and the same thing. Not that much of a lob.This really helped for tracking shots through a spotting scope. Lighting conditions are a must though. i find on sunny days it is easier to see the bullet but on overcast days you can pick the vapour trail up more. But i will continue to use the 168 for the long range stuff. My 5r likes it. My load for 175 SMK is 41 grains of varget, seated at 2.810 with 210 primers and hornady match brass. My best 100 yard with it is .46 MOA. On average though its most .75 MOA. My 5r really never liked the 175. Even the factory match stuff.
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I have 5R and am trying both 175SMK and 155 Lapua Scenar, both are very good with my rifle, but I think Lapua gives me better groupings



 
kevguy said:
I'm not sure if it is the bullet you see, or the actual vapor trail from the air disturbance it creates. I was shooting my .308 Win at 500 yards with 155 gr HPBT and my spotter said he could "see" the bullet. After I sized it up, we seemed to think it was the vapor trail the bullet makes, not the actual bullet.
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100% bullet. I know it's hard to believe but it is the bullet. When your shooting that far and spotting through a scope it comes into your view. Like i said. Somedays it's is vapour trail depending on the humidity but when it is sunny and dry, it is there. Load some slow stuff at 2400 fps so it really slows down at long range and take it out. I didn't believe it either but even with the ballistic charts, we where making our adjustments because of what we could see. Shooting on a 30 degree down angle and the ballistics for those 1160 shots said 540ish inch drop but it ended up being 43.75 MOA. Count that in with the angle and a slow bullet. The shooter position to target ended being almost 70 ft in height difference. It was a big downward angle. So we got alot of hangtime there.That is BC shooting for you i guess. Too many hills and mountains and not enough flats. Like i said, my load is a little slow for 168. Barely supersonic at that range.
 
ryandpahl said:
I have to agree with Kevguy.

From a theory stand point, 155 gr have less drift AND less drop at all practical distances.

You can punch out a 155 Lapua Scenar at 3000 fps. But, as bullet weight goes up your case capacity goes down and you have to worry more about pressure. So most heavier bullets are lucky to see 2700 fps from a .308WIN.

I did up a test load with 220SMK's, but I could not get them moving any faster than 2400 FPS. With it moving so slow, it only starts to gain on the 155 scenar once you pass the 1000 yard line.

Heres some numbers generated on JBM:

155scenar 3000fps @ 1000 yds = 307" drop and 98" for 10 MPH Xwind
175SMK 2700fps @ 1000 yds = 389" drop and 115" for 10 MPH Xwind
220SMK 2400fps @ 1000 yds = 433" drop and 98" for 10 MPH Xwind

155scenar 3000fps @ 1700 yds = 1680" drop and 368" for 10 MPH Xwind
175SMK 2700fps @ 1700 yds = 2037" drop and 399" for 10 MPH Xwind
220SMK 2400fps @ 1700 yds = 2030" drop and 337" for 10 MPH Xwind

I guess this explains why the TR guys are happy to use 155's all the way out to 900 meters. With an extra long barrel they can get them moving faster than 3000 FPS and have even less drop/drift to worry about.
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Run the numbers on a 223 Rem with 90gr Bergers at 2850 fps
why would you want to shoot a .308, 223 has 25 " less wind drift, still over 1400 fps at 1000yards than your 155gr at 3000fps
 
manitou210 said:
Run the numbers on a 223 Rem with 90gr Bergers at 2850 fps
why would you want to shoot a .308, 223 has 25 " less wind drift, still over 1400 fps at 1000yards than your 155gr at 3000fps
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Cause for .223 with a 90 gr bullet you need a fast twist on your barrel. I'm not that privileged yet.
 
at 2400 FPS from the muzzle, out past 700 meters you are going to be subsonic with the 24" barrel of the 5r

Just know from working the butts, there is no longer a crack out of the Rem 700 5r at 700 meters, need 26" or longer to keep it super sonic out there

Thats with 168gr HRD Match, so maybe VLDs or someting heavier would hold velocity a bit better
 
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