Remington Revolving Rifle - Antique?

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Im talking about a conversion...

Ive come accross one in the U.S. Its a 44 cal conversion.

Under the rules...does the cylinder classify as a magazine??
 
More than one shot+rifle= not considered antique.

Here's a funny thought. Sad kind of funny. If it were butchered into a handgun, it would be an antique, because as a handgun, it would not be limited to one shot.

Cheers
Trev
 
Thats the stupid thing isnt it...

....there are double rifles and combination guns that are antiques though...I was just hoping that a revolving rifle made it through as well.

Oh well. I'll have to let this one go :(
 
sportee said:
Thats the stupid thing isnt it...

....there are double rifles and combination guns that are antiques though...I was just hoping that a revolving rifle made it through as well.(
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Multi barrels however do not have a magazine. It is not the number of shots but the presence of the magazine.

cheers mooncoon
 
i Compleatly Dissagree with Most of the Above! :D

If i take a ANTIQUE SAA colt thats say 44 Russian buy a ubreti Carbine Stock and trigger gard and backstrap and the 18 inch barrel and use my SAA Antique Receiver with its Cylinder your saying its NOT Antique cause a Cylinder has now become a Magazine.:rolleyes:

I dont see how a Cylinder can be called a Magazine guys, Come on!
Its the Chamber!
A revolveing Chamber not a mag!
 
dingus said:
i Compleatly Dissagree with Most of the Above! :D

If i take a ANTIQUE SAA colt thats say 44 Russian buy a ubreti Carbine Stock and trigger gard and backstrap and the 18 inch barrel and use my SAA Antique Receiver with its Cylinder your saying its NOT Antique cause a Cylinder has now become a Magazine.:rolleyes:

I dont see how a Cylinder can be called a Magazine guys, Come on!
Its the Chamber!
A revolveing Chamber not a mag!
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That was my thought but I thought I would see if anyone here know for sure.

I guess I should call the techs and see what the answer is...
 
dingus said:
I dont see how a Cylinder can be called a Magazine guys, Come on!
Its the Chamber!
A revolveing Chamber not a mag!
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You have to keep in mind however that the RCMP are writing their own laws when it comes to firearms and definitions. For example attaching prohib status to handgun frames when the barrel is removed or requiring handgun barrels to be 15mm longer than prohib before they will reclassify the gun. They count on the considerable cost of defending yourself against false charges or in other cases on the fact that they administer the law so they can refuse to reclassify etc regardless of the written law.
No doubt such things can be overturned in court but only if you want to go to ridiculous expense to do so. In some cases these problems are a result of official policy and in other cases you can run afoul of simple lack of knowledge of the written law and possible refusal to accept the written law when shown it. I can think of one gun eventually returned to the owner although the local police could not find sections cc84 1(a) in their copy of the criminal code, even when given a xerox copy.

cheers mooncoon
 
sportee said:
That was my thought but I thought I would see if anyone here know for sure.

I guess I should call the techs and see what the answer is...
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Well im gona ask.
Not for awhile tho.
I think its B.S calling a Cylinder a magazine a Cylinder is NOT a mag its a Chamber.
I think its worth argueing over it.
not just ask then go OK if they say no.

Does it say Repeating rifle fed by a Mag? whats the definition say Exactly.
If it dont say chamber then there gona have to give it status.
Im betting im right if the arguement is handled well.

Again setting it up in 41 RF or make your own 45 Caliber RF ammo outa 45 colt cases is another way to go, Right. :D

As long as its a RF Fired cartridge not on the list right ;)

But i want to see if i can get the green light on the CF stuff to.
 
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http://www.canlii.org/ca/regu/sor98-464/part300559.html


Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms

SCHEDULE

(Section 1)

BLACK POWDER REPRODUCTIONS

1. A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897.

RIFLES

2. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

3. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, whether with a smooth or rifled bore, having a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine.

SHOTGUNS

4. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

5. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 or 410 gauge cartridges.

HANDGUNS

6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.


Item 3 is the offending tidbit.

Cheers
Trev
 
If anyone has tried using a carbine revovler with two hands the lead splatter and burns on your left wrist will quickly teach you that you are not infact shooting a rifle but a weapon designed to be fired one handed!
 
Just looked it up on the FRT Colt 1855 revolving rifle made before the 1898 are listed as antique If I was going to import a Remington Revolving rifle there isn't one on the FRT that I could find best to get antique status letter First.
 
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There are Remington revolving rifles in the FRT, four calibres, three barrel lengths each; 610mm, 660mm, 711mm. .36 and .44 percussion, .38 and .46 rimfire.
FRT numbers 72550-1 through 12.
All are antique.
The cartridge versions are described as factory conversions.
 
Well thats that then. :)

No point in phoneing CFC if its right in the FRT Disc.
Good to have theses discussions even if most of us cant aford one.
Have you seen the Price of em.
 
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dingus said:
Well thats that then. :)
Good to have theses discussions even if most of us cant aford one.
Have you seen the Price of em.
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Thats why I got so damn excited...the guy was asking $1800 for this one. I should have just bought the f'n thing and figured it out later...I called him back last night and its gone now. Another one I let slip by...:slap:
 
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