Remington Safety Concerns..

Yeah it's quiete interesting, just watched a investigative program on TV about remington and the trigger issue on CNBC. It's still on in a repeat broadcast. Wonder what owner members have to say.
 
how the f*ck are peole getting killed??? Loaded firearms have no business being pointed anywhere near another human whether the trigger 'works' or not. Once again, lets take away personal responsibility and pin it on manufacturers in hopes of walking away with a huge wad of cash.

How about passing the Retard Mouth-Breather Control Act?!?
 
The guy is a moron, doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, in my humble opinion, and just trying to wring money out of Remington...

Big successful companies are always a target.
 
I watched the CNBC documentary "Remington Under Fire". I was suprized to see the problem was identified by the military and police departments independently but did not do anything to inform the public or atleast pressurized remington to resolve the issue. Also, Remington did not come forward to clarify the issue on media. An indication of something to hide.

By the way, how would we know which rifle has what kind of trigger. Since 2007 they are marketing rifles with two different types of trigger mechanism, the old (with the safety issue) and the new one
 
Manslaughter, Misuse of a firearm, improper discharge of a firearm would be few charges I would start off against the lady..if I were the crown prosecutor.
It is because of the circumstances, actions caused by a careless action, that they want piece of mind for a Mother who ####ed up big time.
Remington is not liable..if a drunk kills someone do you sue the alcohol company or the vehicle manufacturer??
 
Guys,
The mother, in this instance, had the rifle pointed in what she perceived to be a safe direction. The son stepped out from behind the horse trailer and in front of the rifle. The trigger may or may not have been at fault. Overall, it was a case of really bad luck and bad timing.
The Remington trigger design could have been better but the trigger connector is NOT necessarily the root cause of the problem. I have seen numerous Remington triggers which would fie when the safety was disengaged if the trigger had been pulled while the safety was on. In every case I saw, the connector was NOT the cause. The cause was poor dimensional quality of various parts and poor quality control at the plant. In a couple of cases the cause was neglect and in a couple of others, misadjustment of the trigger.
The connector is being blamed because it is there and the concept of it as the culprit can be sold. It is especially easy to sell to a bunch of media types. They are frequently not all that smart.
 
I've seen that on a bunch of 700's. The problem is just an overall stupid design. One really well kept rifle that I worked on would go bang every time the bolt was closed, and it was simply because the 3-in-1 oil used on it turned to varnish. Of course, the owner was unable to de-gum it himself, as the mechanism is too complex for the average owner to work on. Once it was stripped an cleaned, and reassembled, it worked properly.

I've seen that on two 700's that had spent a few years in storage. Seen a few others where the rifle would go bang as soon as you took the safety off. Why they didn't build a sturdy, reliable trigger like the Win. Model 70, I will never understand.
 
BUSHMAN79 said:
I've seen that on a bunch of 700's. The problem is just an overall stupid design. One really well kept rifle that I worked on would go bang every time the bolt was closed, and it was simply because the 3-in-1 oil used on it turned to varnish. Of course, the owner was unable to de-gum it himself, as the mechanism is too complex for the average owner to work on. Once it was stripped an cleaned, and reassembled, it worked properly.

I've seen that on two 700's that had spent a few years in storage. Seen a few others where the rifle would go bang as soon as you took the safety off. Why they didn't build a sturdy, reliable trigger like the Win. Model 70, I will never understand.
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Remington does not tell anyone to oil the trigger with 3 in 1 oil.

The triggers are easily cleaned without disassembly.

The triggers are very simple in design and if anyone finds them complicated they will also lack the ability to adjust a model 70 trigger as well. The majority of those triggers I see are incorrectly adjusted.

With maintenance some people are just too dumb to do their own gunsmithing or to work on their car.
 
Obtunded said:
how the f*ck are peole getting killed??? Loaded firearms have no business being pointed anywhere near another human whether the trigger 'works' or not. Once again, lets take away personal responsibility and pin it on manufacturers in hopes of walking away with a huge wad of cash.

How about passing the Retard Mouth-Breather Control Act?!?
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+1

I agree 100%.

If you cannot avoid pointing a firearm whether loaded or not at yourself or anyone else you have no business even handling a firearm.

Treat every firearm as if it was loaded and NEVER point it at anything unless you intend to shoot it.
 
Yup. All this panicking and "sky is falling" hand wringing will simply cause Rem to go to a more "lawyer (and retard) proof" trigger. And those of us who appreciate a good trigger that can be safely and easily adjusted are screwed. We'll all end up shelling out mucho dinero for aftermarket triggers, and be no further ahead. And yet another firearms manufacturer will be driven closer to going out of business by the crybaby journalists. - dan
 
kaka said:
I watched the CNBC documentary "Remington Under Fire". I was suprized to see the problem was identified by the military and police departments independently but did not do anything to inform the public or atleast pressurized remington to resolve the issue. Also, Remington did not come forward to clarify the issue on media. An indication of something to hide.

By the way, how would we know which rifle has what kind of trigger. Since 2007 they are marketing rifles with two different types of trigger mechanism, the old (with the safety issue) and the new one
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Did you happen to notice that no faces, names or rank were offered? None of the alleged instances were reported to Remington. Why did the videos not mention if any modifications had been done to the rifles? Why did we not get to see the cartridge being chambered? If simply touching the bolt handle caused the rifle to go off, I would think chambering the cartridge would be a very delicate operation. But we weren't privy to that experience were we.

As with any mechanical device failures will occur. Remington 700s are no exception. If the trigger is the same design since the 1940s why has it taken 60+ years to suddenly come to light? Why did it take CNBC so long to bring this forth?

I rarely believe this type of story. Look at what the media did to Toyota. Oh yes it was the programming of the computer that caused sudden acceleration. Of course as soon as this was disproved, the media dropped the |Toyota with hunt.

These so called news stories are just that, stories. Of course buried somewhere is a grain of fact, but it is usually buried too deep under sensationalism to be recognized.

I urge you NOT to immediately believe what you see on one television show. Base your opinion on facts not fairy tales. If these triggers were indeed as bad as CNBC alleges, there would be lawsuits to no end. Remington would have lost their contracts to supply the US military and police departments, etc.
 
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