Remington vs Savage, other thoughts.

Rembo said:
I have both Savages and Remingtons here and I've spent some time comparing and measuring. It would be possible to build an action with the best features of both. Like, the floating bolt head and the removeable bolt handle of the Savage. I'd give it a Rem barrrel thread and toss the Savage barrel nut. Make it accept a Rem trigger and safety and Savage centerfeed detachable mag, the short action mags are 3" inside, nice for a 308.
I've seen examples of a Savage bolt head installed on a Remington bolt, not that hard to do. But you do have to remove the barrel and face off the counterbore.
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What you have described is the new Shilen match action. They are selling very well in the US and I feel the BEST blend of BOTH rifles.

warrenb, what you are looking for is called bolt timing. I can do that for you. Takes a wee bit longer then 10 mins and will make your bolt lift smooth and light.

I used to shoot ALOT of Rems and from the 80's and early 90's, they were gems. One of my favorite factory rifles is the Rem Classic in 222Rem that I had to sell - pity. That was to me, the peak of Rem quality and it shot superbly.

Today, I am not sure what the big wigs in Rem are thinking. Maybe the too big to fail is their new business model cause they sure aren't doing anything for their brand.

Savage gets the new shooting environment and is building a huge market share. Consistent quality at a decent price is selling heaps of product and the many many positive posts, just reinforce how well Savage is able to tie QC and product styles.

Competition wins certainly don't hurt either.

I used to shoot Rems, I now shoot and compete with Savages. I have not found any shortcomings in the Savage that some TLC can't overcome. BUT what is obvious is the huge savings in $$ between the 2 brands.

I have yet to touch an action by blueprinting or other lathe work and my groups are every bit as good as the average F class rifle I compete with (wind reading, that is a totally different story). I have lost count but I am nearing the 2 dozen range for actions that I have used in one way or another.

Never had an action that I was concerned about or didn't perform.

Savage has now installed new tooling centers and that has improved their action alignments even more. Good stuff for all of us.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
What you have described is the new Shilen match action. They are selling very well in the US and I feel the BEST blend of BOTH rifles.

warrenb, what you are looking for is called bolt timing. I can do that for you. Takes a wee bit longer then 10 mins and will make your bolt lift smooth and light.

I used to shoot ALOT of Rems and from the 80's and early 90's, they were gems. One of my favorite factory rifles is the Rem Classic in 222Rem that I had to sell - pity. That was to me, the peak of Rem quality and it shot superbly.

Today, I am not sure what the big wigs in Rem are thinking. Maybe the too big to fail is their new business model cause they sure aren't doing anything for their brand.

Savage gets the new shooting environment and is building a huge market share. Consistent quality at a decent price is selling heaps of product and the many many positive posts, just reinforce how well Savage is able to tie QC and product styles.

Competition wins certainly don't hurt either.

I used to shoot Rems, I now shoot and compete with Savages. I have not found any shortcomings in the Savage that some TLC can't overcome. BUT what is obvious is the huge savings in $$ between the 2 brands.

I have yet to touch an action by blueprinting or other lathe work and my groups are every bit as good as the average F class rifle I compete with (wind reading, that is a totally different story). I have lost count but I am nearing the 2 dozen range for actions that I have used in one way or another.

Never had an action that I was concerned about or didn't perform.

Savage has now installed new tooling centers and that has improved their action alignments even more. Good stuff for all of us.

Jerry
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gee has anyone heard of remington addressing shooters concerns ?
 
mightyhunter said:
What I do to lighten the bolt lift on my Savage is cut the firing pin spring back a bit to reduce the tension.
Works great and the bolt lift is noticeably lighter. I would probably say about 30% to 35% lighter.
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?????????? what does it do to the " lock time "? doesn't lightening the spring have some negative effect?;)
 
boss-hog2 said:
?????????? what does it do to the " lock time "? doesn't lightening the spring have some negative effect?;)
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Many benchrest actions have very weak springs ,suposed to improve accuracy somewhat my benchgun is like that

I also prefer the new savage actions over the new rem ones and to overcome bolt lift I installed a tactical bolt knob from SSS :D
 
If you remove the firing pin from the bolt, you will see that the cocking spring is quite long. When one cocks the firing pin, the spring needs to be compressed almost 3/4" and that is one of the reasons the bolt lift is so heavy.
 
Mystic Precision said:
warrenb, what you are looking for is called bolt timing. I can do that for you. Takes a wee bit longer then 10 mins and will make your bolt lift smooth and light.
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Jerry,
If I would'nt miss the shooting I'd send you one to time. :)

soap box on:
I've said it before but when Savage do so many things right, its incredulous that they continue to do nothing about bolt lift. Everyone and their dog are aware of the bolt issues on a Savage. Many potential buyers are put off when they try them in a store for the first time. And some bolts are way lighter than others. I guess its mainly down to economics and producing a competitively priced product.
soap box off:

Edit: I own both Savage and Remington and appreciate both.
 
Buy a rem and build it up to a precision shooter or buy a savage that is out of the box a precision shooter. The price for precision plateaus around the same point either way. on the one hand you have some more time and work required to get a remington to the point you want but you also have more customizability(not a word) along the way. on the other hand you can get a savage out of the box that shoots how you want but might not be exactly the custom setup you are looking for
 
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