Remington Vs. Winchester

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Why is it that there aren't many sniper rifles made on the winchester model 70 action. Is there a downside to the Model 70 action? what makes the Remington 700 action better?
 
Mitchell said:
Why is it that there aren't many sniper rifles made on the winchester model 70 action. Is there a downside to the Model 70 action? what makes the Remington 700 action better?
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What makes the Rem700 more popular is all the accessories available.

Mod70 push feed is a great action to build as well. There are several manufactures who have top quality parts for the Mod70 now, a good gunsmith can point you in the right direction.

I just had a 300WM build off a Mod70 CRF long action, the gunsmith did all the usual work to the action and its tight and smooth as butter.

If you considering a build on either, talk with the gunsmith who you are choosing and see what they have to say.

If your looking for off the shelf rifles, the FN SPR series are built on a Mod70 CRF action, they are good rifles for the money.

Goodluck
 
The M700 action is cheaper and easier to work with being cylindrical, they also have a bunch of bells and whistles available. The M70 was and is a superb action to build on but the type of rifle you build is also a factor. The M70 is a much more expensive action to produce along with it's counterparts like the Dakota etc. It is a fact that when serious guns are built for serious hunting situations the M70 or other CRF actions are preffered over the M700.
bigbull
 
Mitchell said:
Why is it that there aren't many sniper rifles made on the winchester model 70 action. Is there a downside to the Model 70 action? what makes the Remington 700 action better?
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Do yopu mean REAL sniper rifles or the stuff that guys hot rod up for themselves?

Both remington and Winchester make/made dedicated sniper rifles at one time.
I'm saying"made" becuae of course Winchester is no longer making the M70.

The M70 can be made into an excellent sniper rifle however.
If one chose to, that is.

There is one thing to remember here, and we tend to forget it often.
After you get past a certain point of quality , the action, barrel, scope , etc are of little importance in the whole scheme of things.
The nut behind the bolt is the deciding factor on whether or not a bullet is going to arrive at its intended destination.
Cat
 
Carlos Hathcock used a Model 70 during his first tour and a Remington during his second tour.
Most of Hathcocks more remembered shots (shooting the enemy sniper through the scope, the Vietnamese general, holding down an entire platoon, etc.) were taken using the Winchester.
 
Remington is still in the firearm business. Winchester has had some issues of late just being in business. Remington's marketing department is/was better too.
 
There's no practical difference in the accuracy between an average 700 and an average 70 factory rifle. 700 has the round receiver and the threaded recoil lug, which most people will tell you makes them harder to square in the stock. 70 has a stiffer receiver, at least 30% stronger, and uses an integral recoil lug that's easier to square. The barrels are roughly the same quality, taken as an average across all production quantities. Triggers are both pretty crap from the factory, but both can easily be fixed.

They're both excellent examples of mass-produced factory rifles, and on average they're equivalently accurate.

BTW, the Winchester factory in Ct was closed as a result of long-running problems with the labor union and rising costs, not because the model 70 was less accurate than the model 700 :slap:
 
If you go back to the late 60's early 70's Remington 700's started to get a reputation for excellent accuracy. That was largely due to the design of the 700 action. It is an inherently accurate design, more accurate than a Model 70 design in my opinion. The action was successfully used in Centerfire Benchrest until custom Benchrest actions became more abundant.

I am not saying you can't build an accurate rifle on a Model 70 action, but if you use the same quality of barrel and gun smithing to put them together, the 700 will still out shoot the Model 70. ... it's the action.
 
I think the 70 is a stiffer action due to its square base and integral (way thicker) recoil lug...I find 70's keep their zero better when you replace the action in the stock, and the action is also less prone to rotating in the stock when firing heavy magnums due to the flat bottom and a single piece floor plate . also if your gonna be in a dirty humid environment the 70's bolt field strips with out any special tools, also the 70's ejection system is 1000% more reliable the the 700's. plus you can control where you eject the rounds to with a 70...

The squeaky wheel gets the grease and alot of remmy owners squeak about their rifles short coming hence the aftermarket support.

GO WINCHESTER!
Lee
as for the bench rest seen, I think these guys are afraid to try and sleave a model 70 vs a model 700.
 
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