Remmington 7615 ar mags would be undefinably awesome

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pkitcheman

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Just throwing this idea out there, figured I would post is here as you guys push some serious gun products. Can you guys get magazines specifically made for the 7615 law enforcement pump rifle? To my knowledge there would be no mag capacity limit as it's a pump rifle.
And in a hypothetical situation I could probably make one fit in my ar..... Right?
If so I'll take 20
 
No dice. In a rifle they are all considered AR mags. Buy some LAR 10 rounders and be happy you can get them. Until someone can make the law a little less ridiculous, it's the best you're gonna get. *cough, cough, Beowolf, cough*
 
pkitcheman said:
Just throwing this idea out there, figured I would post is here as you guys push some serious gun products. Can you guys get magazines specifically made for the 7615 law enforcement pump rifle? To my knowledge there would be no mag capacity limit as it's a pump rifle.
And in a hypothetical situation I could probably make one fit in my ar..... Right?
If so I'll take 20
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kennymo said:
No dice. In a rifle they are all considered AR mags. Buy some LAR 10 rounders and be happy you can get them. Until someone can make the law a little less ridiculous, it's the best you're gonna get. *cough, cough, Beowolf, cough*
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But 10 rounds just goes way too fast :(........
 
The 7615 is specifically marketed as using an AR mag, so it doesn't matter what mag is produced for it, it would be an AR mag. In Canada our laws look at a mag as a separate entity, from the firearm. That's the only reason that LAR mags are allowed. If this wasn't the case, you would only be able to use them in an LAR legally. Same thing as using a 10 round Glock mag in a JR Carbine. If the mag was considered part of the firearm you would only be able to use a magazine produced specifically for the JR Carbine, and as a center fire, semi-auto rifle, it would be limited to 5 rounds. As somebody else suggested, get some LAR mags and be glad that we can get them.
 
pkitcheman knows the laws. You guys just immediately writing off the idea without at least thinking about it are just short sighted.

The 7615 is listed as accepting AR mags. But why couldnt you build a mag specifically listed for the 7615. The LAR pistols will accept AR mags as well.

Only thing I can see being a problem is if the gun MUST be listed as ONLY accepting its own specific mags (for example, is the LAR pistol listed as ONLY accepting LAR mags?) and I dont know what the rules are relating to this.

Could you not produce a mag that says "To be used in the 7615 Pump Action rifle only" on the side? A pump rifle has NO mag capacity limit... if someone built a mag listed as specifically intended for this pump action gun, I cant see any reason it wouldnt be legal.
 
The question is completely valid, and is the reason why AIA 10 round .308 mags (designed for bolt-action rifle) are legal in an M14. Unfortunately, Remington threw us under the bus by marketing the rifle with a magwell that is specifically designed to accept AR mags, i.e. a magwell adapter. This quote is from Outdoorsmen Forum:

Boberama said:
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Mr. ###
Friday, May 05, 2006


Mr. ###

Thank you for your recent request with regard to using Remington 7615P magazines in semi-automatic rifles within Canada.
In your correspondence, you partially quoted the Criminal Code Part III, S. 84 Part 4 Prohibited Devices, Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations which states the prohibited device as:
Any cartridge magazine that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
a. A semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
b. A semi-automatic firearm other that a semi-automatic handgun.
The Remington 7615P rifle, in calibre .223 Remington/ 5.56 NATO utilizes a magazine well adapter, which specifically permits the use of M16/AR15 style magazines, and is promoted by Remington as having this capability. Therefore, the magazine is subject to the five (5) round limits as applied to semi-automatic rifles, despite being deployed in a pump rifle within Canada.
Further, the existence of a magazine of the type used in the M16/AR15, and now the Remington 7615P, with a capability of containing more than five (5) rounds in Canada is in direct contravention to the Criminal Code.
In direct response to your inquiry about the legality of using a thirty (30) round magazine intended for use in the Remington 7615P in the M16/AR15 semi-auto rifle, I am obliged to inform you that is contrary to the Criminal Code for the reasons explained above.
Trusting this response discloses the information required in denying your request, I remain
Sincerely,



George Fraser
A/Manager
Firearms Technical Analysis Section
Canadian Firearms Registry
Tel (613) 993-0038
Fax (877)699-4928
Email: george.fraser@cfc-cafc.gc.ca
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The AIA Enfield wasn't advertised, marketed or designed to use M14 mags. Yes the design is damn near the same, but that isn't the tipping point. It is the intent and marketing that screwed the idea for the Remington.
 
fenceline said:
The AIA Enfield wasn't advertised, marketed or designed to use M14 mags. Yes the design is damn near the same, but that isn't the tipping point. It is the intent and marketing that screwed the idea for the Remington.
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No... the tipping point was Canadian Gun owners accepting all this nonsense to begin with. Until people stand up and say no, they are going to nickle and dime all our rights away, all of them.
 
Make a rimfire round and bolt adapter for the ARF, the round can be the same dimensions as .223, go nuts with Beta-C mags.....lol
 
TT_270wsm said:
The question is completely valid, and is the reason why AIA 10 round .308 mags (designed for bolt-action rifle) are legal in an M14. Unfortunately, Remington threw us under the bus by marketing the rifle with a magwell that is specifically designed to accept AR mags, i.e. a magwell adapter. This quote is from Outdoorsmen Forum:
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THere ya go. A GOOD answer that actually explains something for a change. Thank you. That letter pretty much sums it up doesnt it. Not that it needs to be said AGAIN, but what a stupid system. A single word can determine the legality of one product VS another with a nearly identical design. Poor Canada.
 
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