repeating muzzlelader?

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something caught my eye at Cabelas yesterday.....
A short carbine, a sotr of black powder revolver with a stock and long bbl.
is the cylinder considered a part of the muzzle? that would mean a 6 shot muzzleloader.

if not...... are there any double barrel muzzleloaders?
 
eltorro said:
something caught my eye at Cabelas yesterday.....
A short carbine, a sotr of black powder revolver with a stock and long bbl.
is the cylinder considered a part of the muzzle? that would mean a 6 shot muzzleloader.

if not...... are there any double barrel muzzleloaders?

Double barrel yes. Revolving stuff is a class on it's own really, because you don't load from the muzzle, you load from the front of the chamber.
 
Also, Mr. Jonathan Browning, father of the famous gun inventor of among other guns, the 94 Winchester and Colt 45, himself invented, between 1832-42, two repeating black powder rifles, one like a revolver rifle and the a other a repeating black powder rifle, used a sliding bar with five shoots with a "under hammer" firing system, with the trigger guard also served as a main spring. These sliding bar shooters all came with an extra "magazine", typically with five shoots, but special order sliding bars could have many more shoots.
 
There were and are revolving cylinder percussion cap handguns and longarms, rifles and shotguns, as well as harmonica guns as snowhunter has mentionned (don't think JM Browning had anything to do with Colt's revolvers, though), turret guns, multiple barrel guns, etc. Double barrel shotguns, rifles and combination guns were common, and are still made. There were even flinlock repeaters. Whether they qualify as muzzleloaders depends on whose definition is being used, for what purpose. For the special blackpowder hunting seasons, better check with the appropriate game office. Same thing with respect to antique status. In Canada, nothing with percussion ignition made after 1898 is antique.
 
tiriaq, I meant the Colt 45 Automatic Pistol that served with the US military since 1911, is a John Moses Browning and US patent # 984.519, same year.
 
Yes, Browning was the designer of many of the best firearms of all types made by a variety of manufacturers.
The most common modern revolving percussion longarm is the Remington pattern reproduction. Something to consider with these is where your left hand is going to be, considering the flash and debris possible with a revolver design, let alone the possibility of a mutiple discharge.
The Billinghurst pattern percussion revolving rifles were loaded from the muzzle with patched balls, and a conventional ramrod, each chamber being loaded in sequence as the cylinder was manually rotated to line up with the barrel.
Don't know what the loading sequence was for the harmonica rifles. Perhaps the block was loaded away from the gun. A loaded block with capped nipples would have been rther dangerous to handle, so perhaps the nipples were capped only after the block was installed.
 
Jonathan Brownings slide gun had to be loaded separately from the rifle, since there are no ram rod attacthed to this, for it's day, advanced, but simple functioning rifle. Special order slide's could be made to hold 25 rounds. Imagine the recoil, if there ever was a chain firing :mrgreen:

The Mormon and polygamist Jonathan Browning,(1805-79) had tree wife's and sired 21 children, and one of was John Moses, with his second wife. Jonathan fathered his lasts child when his was 70.

This is an advertisement by Jonathan Browning in the "Frontier Guardian", Kanesville, Iowa, September 19, 1849:

"The subcriber is prepared to manufacture, to order, improved Fire-arms, viz: revolving rifles and pistols; also slide guns, from 5 to 25 shooters. All on an improved plan, and he thinks not equalled this far east.(Farther west they might be.) The emigrating and sporting community are invited to call and examine Browning's improved fire-arms before purchasing elsewhere. Shop eight miles south of Kanesville on Musquito Creek, half a mile south of Trading Point."
 
The slide rifles may have been a bit less dramatic to fire than some other capping breechloaders, the block being cammed foreward when locked, and the cone effect at the block/barrel junction reducing flash. As I understand it, multiple discharges can occur from flashover at either the nipples or the muzzle face of the block or cylinder. The turret guns would have been particularly frightening in the event of a multiple. I wonder if the slide guns were loaded with a patched ball, or an oversized plain lead ball, like the revolvers. Without the original mould accomanying a gun it would be hard to tell. Jonathan Browning's ad refers to cylinder guns; don't know if there are any surviving specimens. Off the top of my head, the only capping longarm breechloaders currently being reproduced are Remington and Sharps reproductions; someone was making a Hall several years ago. The Smiths, Gallagers, Maynards all use a cartridge of sorts. So, the Remington may be the only repeater.
 
The John Browning Museum in Ogden, Utah, have examples of Jonathan Brownings "cylinder"(revovelver)" as well as sliding guns. This museum is worth a visit if you are in that area.
 
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