Replacing rem bolt with pgt
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Has your rem extractor failed? If your action is trued your lugs should be making full contact and that's about as good as it gets. As for the pros they look nice, can get a few different styles. Threaded bolt handle. Can be ordered in any configuration they offer. Cons they are expensive, race way has to be reamer to fit if bolt is over sized. Hard to recover resale if you ever decide to sell the gun.
If your action has been trued, replacing the bolt isn't going to make much difference. It will need to be fitted, and that might include barrel work.
I assume that you want the PTG bolt with Sako type extractor, to get away from the Remington design. Keep in mind that if you do, you must never, ever, have a case failure.
I assume that you want the PTG bolt with Sako type extractor, to get away from the Remington design. Keep in mind that if you do, you must never, ever, have a case failure.
I am not sure why. I just had the barrel and action done. Changed brass . I was using nosler when it was a factory gun. After modification i changed to norma brass. Not sure if that has anything to do with it failing. Only have 20 rounds through it. I know i could take it back to the builder but its a long drive there and back.
change a 700 extractor takes less than 5 min. mabee 10 if its riveted.
is it scrap or did it just let go a hard to extract brass.
as tiriaq said, if your issue is high pressure, a sako extractor is from far the last thing you want.
if you realy want another style of extractor on a 700 style action, get something with a M16 extractor(STILLER). its pined while the sako only hold in place with the spring tension.
is it scrap or did it just let go a hard to extract brass.
as tiriaq said, if your issue is high pressure, a sako extractor is from far the last thing you want.
if you realy want another style of extractor on a 700 style action, get something with a M16 extractor(STILLER). its pined while the sako only hold in place with the spring tension.
There is a good reason.
Installing the Sako style extractor compromises the inherent safety of the breeching system. The 700 is the best widely distributed rifle when it comes to protecting the shooter in the event of a catastrophic case failure.
If a gunsmith performs this modification, he is exposing himself to liability in the event of a case failure.
I do not know if the pivot pin used with the M-16 extractor will retain the pieces if there is a release of pressure.
These aftermarket extractors are positioned so that the extractor is lined up with the bolt lugway in the receiver when the bolt is closed. If there is a release of high pressure gas, pieces will be blown out and back toward the shooter's face.
There is no way to guarantee that there will never, ever, be a release of high pressure gas.
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You need a little anvil which supports the head of the rivet, and which holds the extractor in place while riveting. I made mine out of a little piece of 1/2" drill rod.
Brownells sells them.
It is a fiddley job that has to be done right the first time.
Brownells sells them.
It is a fiddley job that has to be done right the first time.
I've had a couple Rem 700s (magnum bolts only) that really did not like to chamber when straight inserting a round into the action and that lead to a heavy bolt close due to the extractor not freely seating over the rim. That was hard on the brass and extractor and I could see it possibly contributing to eventual extractor failure..however those rifles had no problem with the extractor gripping the rim when loading from the magazine. Just my experience.
I think altering the 700 extractor system is a terrible alteration, rendering the inherent safe design of the 700 useless.
There is no reason to replace the 700 extractor system with such an inferior design as the installation of part of a Sako extractor. It is a lousy conversion and continues to be presented as an option without all the facts stated.
Originally the conversion was done to accommodate the PPC case on a 700 action... Why only part of the Sako extractor system was used I don't know. Perhaps the idea that the Sako "bolt guide" was actually a safety device escaped those who pioneered the conversion, or the fact that catastrophic case failures are rather rare.
The problem I have today with those conversions is very few of the owners know what they are getting into... perhaps many of those doing the conversion don't realize it either. I simply wish if you are thinking about having the conversion done you have the facts before hand.
The design of the Model 700 action is superior to any other mass-produced 2 lug bolt action ever made , and that by installing only part of the extractor system from a Sako (2 locking lug action) completely compromises that design. The alteration does not make it happen. But the alteration is completely unsafe when it happens. We are talking about a catastrophic case failure. They do not occur on a regular basis. (In the US there have been serious injuries and at least one death associated with this conversion).
A Sako extractor is safe in a two lug Sako so why shouldn't it be safe in a two lug Remington? ... Because when people install the Sako extractor in a Remington they do not install the Sako bolt guide, which is the safety design incorporated in the Sako. That bolt guide is there to protect the shooter and anyone close to the shooter if a case fails drastically. I do not understand why anyone would knowingly install only part of the Sako system. If the Sako extractor and the Sako bolt guide were installed then the Remington would be as safe as a Sako. Not as strong and safe as the Remington was before alteration but safe.
Here is a picture of how well the Sako "bolt guide" deflected/prevented debris from exiting down the bolt raceway...
There is no reason to replace the 700 extractor system with such an inferior design as the installation of part of a Sako extractor. It is a lousy conversion and continues to be presented as an option without all the facts stated.
Originally the conversion was done to accommodate the PPC case on a 700 action... Why only part of the Sako extractor system was used I don't know. Perhaps the idea that the Sako "bolt guide" was actually a safety device escaped those who pioneered the conversion, or the fact that catastrophic case failures are rather rare.
The problem I have today with those conversions is very few of the owners know what they are getting into... perhaps many of those doing the conversion don't realize it either. I simply wish if you are thinking about having the conversion done you have the facts before hand.
The design of the Model 700 action is superior to any other mass-produced 2 lug bolt action ever made , and that by installing only part of the extractor system from a Sako (2 locking lug action) completely compromises that design. The alteration does not make it happen. But the alteration is completely unsafe when it happens. We are talking about a catastrophic case failure. They do not occur on a regular basis. (In the US there have been serious injuries and at least one death associated with this conversion).
A Sako extractor is safe in a two lug Sako so why shouldn't it be safe in a two lug Remington? ... Because when people install the Sako extractor in a Remington they do not install the Sako bolt guide, which is the safety design incorporated in the Sako. That bolt guide is there to protect the shooter and anyone close to the shooter if a case fails drastically. I do not understand why anyone would knowingly install only part of the Sako system. If the Sako extractor and the Sako bolt guide were installed then the Remington would be as safe as a Sako. Not as strong and safe as the Remington was before alteration but safe.
Here is a picture of how well the Sako "bolt guide" deflected/prevented debris from exiting down the bolt raceway...
M16 or Sako extractor, same issue compromising the gas sealing features of the Rem 700.
A new bolt won't do anything for accuracy if you already had everything trued.
Load development is the solution for that.
There are a few things that can be done to improve accuracy. Bedding, trigger work, etc. (A match grade barrel) The PTG bolt in itself will not improve measurable accuracy and the cost is considerable. You can have your present action and bolt trued for considerably less.
