Replacing trigger group on any rifle?

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Hello. This may be a dumb question because I don't know the engineering behind it. But, how difficult would it be for a smith to replace a trigger in an existing rifle (NON CZ) that uses a trigger like the CZ 527, which features the CZ SST “Perfect Pull” Trigger. Any of you who own a 527, or are familiar with the 527 know that you can push the rear of the trigger forward for a target trigger pull weight or leave it in the standard "regular" position for hunting purposes.

I tried a CZ 527 in 7.62X39 at my local range - using the lighter set trigger function, and it was amazing.

Are there any 3rd party triggers that have 2 settings like the CZ 527, that can be used in other rifles?

Thanks
 
With enough time and money anything is possible. The short answer to your question is no, you cannot move triggers between different brands or types of firearms. However, some firearms use a common trigger design that works among many different guns. For example Remington 700 pattern triggers are very common, and Mauser triggers are as well. AR15 triggers are another example.

Trigger conversions have been done, but the costs usually outweigh the benefits, unless you perform the work yourself or have an unlimited budget.
 
Thanks Blastattack. You mentioned the Remington 700 pattern. Are they considered "good triggers"? I think what I'm after is a target/competition trigger, like what you'd find on a Savage LRVP. They have the orange blade, tried one of those a few years ago in .308, and it was stellar.

Maybe that suggests I should go with a Savage action instead of a Remington. An older gentleman at my range has a Browning T-Bolt - definitely an older version, and it's a beautiful rifle, very accurate, but the trigger absolutely sucks (his words) and it was HEAVY, far too heavy for target shooting. He told me that the only real option for him was to get a Timney kit.

I just really love that 2 position CZ 527 trigger, there was no creep, no creaking, no take-up, just — bang. But what action do you buy if you want a .222 or 22 Hornet with a heavy barrel, in a bench-rest stock, with a 2 position trigger?
 
What you are talking about is essentially a double set trigger that just works a bit differently. Such triggers are not common these days. If you want a CZ 2-position trigger then you should buy a CZ rifle.

Every rifle maker uses a different trigger system. Then there will be a selection of aftermarket triggers available for each make / model of rifle.

I have both Savage and Remington rifles. Their triggers are different but both are workable for what I desire in a trigger. I have left the trigger in my Savage Precision Carbine stock because I find it to be light and crisp enough for me. I have several Remington 700's and one has a reworked factory trigger and the others have Timney triggers installed.

TBH, while you nay feel the CZ set trigger is interesting or fun, I think most people would be better served by a more straight forward trigger system that is upgraded or tuned for a better feel and letoff. The thing to ask yourself about that CZ trigger is, "when will you choose to use the heavier, worse feel of the non-set position?" Why would you choose to opt for the crappier setting when the better setting is right there? And if you will always choose to use the better option, why not just choose a simpler system that is better feeling? The CZ trigger seems to be complexity for the sake of complexity?

FWIW there are a million aftermarket trigger options for both Savage and Remington 700 rifles. You are not stuck with the factory trigger.
 
henry22 said:
Hello. This may be a dumb question because I don't know the engineering behind it. But, how difficult would it be for a smith to replace a trigger in an existing rifle (NON CZ) that uses a trigger like the CZ 527, which features the CZ SST “Perfect Pull” Trigger. Any of you who own a 527, or are familiar with the 527 know that you can push the rear of the trigger forward for a target trigger pull weight or leave it in the standard "regular" position for hunting purposes.

I tried a CZ 527 in 7.62X39 at my local range - using the lighter set trigger function, and it was amazing.

Are there any 3rd party triggers that have 2 settings like the CZ 527, that can be used in other rifles?

Thanks
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Y'know, if you just out and say what rifle you are considering this for, it would be a lot easier to give you a solid answer. Support varies a lot from brand to brand, and you really do have to account for your budget, because, anything CAN be done, if you want to spend enough money on it.

On a Remington 700 system, there are several maker that build triggers down to a 2 ounce pull. Which seems like a great idea, until you are sitting out hunting, with cold fingers, and trying to feel where the damn trigger is, without setting it off! This can also be a problem at the bench, shooting, though you usually have at least, the time to crank your head around and look.

FWIW, a set trigger has been proven to get you lower accuracy than a good, single stage trigger, despite that it seems better. Been an awful lot of coffee consumed arguing for and against that, but a bunch of the shooters over on the ASSRA forum have come to that conclusion, based on their long term scores shooting matches with the same gun, set up with both a single stage and set trigger. Take that FWIW, most will never shoot well enough to tell.

So, what you are looking for is called a Single Set Trigger, Canjar makes (Made?) one for several different rifles, IIRC, I have never used one of theirs. A Double Set Trigger, uses a separate trigger, that must be pulled to "Set" the trigger mechanism, and the other trigger basically fires that "set" system, and the "set" portion of the trigger then fires the sear, as it were. These are pretty common on old black powder muzzle loaders, and the Germans were fond of them too. Most use a rear trigger to "Set" and the front to fire, but not all. Some are built so that the rifle cannot fire unset, others allow the sear to be released whether set or not.

You can do a lot worse things than to sit and check out the various drawings available online, and see how the different types are put together and work.

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...QIHYdmALkQjJkEegQICBAC&biw=1920&bih=927&dpr=1
 
trevj is giving you some good advice.

OP, depending on the rifle you want a new trigger for, have you even bothered to look online at the aftermarket trigger makers, such as Triggertech and several others???

Depending on how poorly fitted/manufactured your original trigger really is, most factory triggers can be ''tuned'' by a knowledgeable gunsmith, for a price of course, which will likely be less than the cost of a replacement trigger.

Then again, is your rifle worth the cost of a trigger that might be worth more than your rifle?

A couple of months ago, I purchased a Mauser 98 that had been very poorly ''sporterized'' by bubba. I bought it for the bolt and the excellent after market trigger. The trigger was worth more than what I paid for the rifle and the bolt will be very nice, after the butcher job is cleaned up.

That being said, there are many makes of after market triggers out there. You need to do some of YOUR OWN due diligence to learn what's available at a price you can afford.
 
I would look for a CZ 527 as it would be cheaper and easier in the long run. Great rifles! Or buy a Tikka T3 or CZ 557 if you desire an excellent factory adjustable trigger and an accurate shooting rifle.
 
henry22 said:
Thanks Blastattack. You mentioned the Remington 700 pattern. Are they considered "good triggers"? I think what I'm after is a target/competition trigger, like what you'd find on a Savage LRVP. They have the orange blade, tried one of those a few years ago in .308, and it was stellar.

Maybe that suggests I should go with a Savage action instead of a Remington. An older gentleman at my range has a Browning T-Bolt - definitely an older version, and it's a beautiful rifle, very accurate, but the trigger absolutely sucks (his words) and it was HEAVY, far too heavy for target shooting. He told me that the only real option for him was to get a Timney kit.

I just really love that 2 position CZ 527 trigger, there was no creep, no creaking, no take-up, just — bang. But what action do you buy if you want a .222 or 22 Hornet with a heavy barrel, in a bench-rest stock, with a 2 position trigger?
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Jard makes a single set trigger (what you are referring to with the push forward to set) for the Remington 700 platform
 
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