Request for pics of your functional Gevarm .22 magazine

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Gevarms went out of production long ago. I think the factory burned down or something like that.

The whole world has been scavenging for magazines ever since.

From time to time they come up at high prices.

My past experience is that they often don't work, in particular 2 different series of aftermarket magazines I've encountered to my sorrow.

It is a very unrewarding endeavour. Basically, even when you find a mag, they often don't work very well or at all.

There is a parts supply place in Western Canada that is selling reproduction 8 and 15 round magazines.

The magazines do fit and lock in but in my experience they do not work.

The problem is, the lips...it's always the lips.

Gevarm mag lips do 2 functions...feed and ejection. The simplicity of the action is wonderful but it puts some complex functions in the hands of the magazine for the gun to work.

The left lip is also the ejector.

The mags are a very complex design...and only Gevarm really had it.

I'm thinking, if people were to post close up pictures of the feed lips on their good, fully functional factory magazines, it will give those who decide to try the repro magazines a guide to use when trying to alter the lips to work.

Fully functional means, it works perfectly. No fail to feed, no fail to eject.

Close up, Macro setting, in focus pics from various angles, possibly including measurements of width of the left side and the right side. The relative difference between the 2 sides. (for example, the left feed lip projects 20 thousandths further forward than the right feed lip)

The angle at which the lips are formed, the width of the opening in the middle, etc.

Nobody has ever done this before. Let's put the power of the internet to work.

How long does it take to snap a few digital photos of your mag lips and put them up on this thread? Or email them to me and I'll put them up if that works.

By far the best mags are the factory 8 rounders, they are the only ones I've ever had any luck with.

If we could find a way to alter the new mags that are available to actually work...it would go a long way towards debugging these awesome little rifles.

And we have what we need...there are plenty of mags out there that work just fine. Let's copy them. :)
 
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The after market magazines that I purchased both sets of lips were the same front edge from the breach. I took the lip on the inside to a die grinder and took off an 1/8th or less.
 
It's difficult to tell from these photos, but the width of the lips, measured from the inside edges is 5mm, the length of the left ( longer ) lip is 14mm, the shorter is 13mm. Width of the magazine is 10mm, @ the waist, about 6mm, & 8mm at the bulge, inside dimensions except for overall width.

The discoloured one was lost on a winter rabbit hunt and found in the spring. The other is a factory replacement bought many years ago. I had to pinch the nose in slightly to get it to fit, IIRC.

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There is also two varieties of these mags, the a3 & e1 mag sits higher in the mag well and has a more pronounced difference between the two feed lips. The a6 and e2 sit lower in the well and have a less pronounced difference in the lips. The e2 and a6 can use the early mags but the a3 and e1 will not feed properly from the later mags as they sit too low to strip off a round.
 
You are the second person to mention to me the different height the mags sit at. I was not aware of that. The other gent mentioned the E2 mags sit different than the E1 mags.

Perhaps Gevarm never heard of standardization?

Are you sure the A3 and A6 mags are different? The rifles are so similar.

Look at this ad. Note the ad for the mags at the bottom. There is just one of the 8 rounders listed. They don't seem to differentiate between the 2 A models.

Indeed the 20 round E mags will not fit into the magwell on an A gun, due to the thick nose on the long mags.

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Note on the Gevarm mag on the right, the complex curve of the lips. I've seen them like that.

It would take somebody very meticulous to bend straight lips to that profile...

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My a6 will not seat the same mags as my a3, it may be they were manufactured too far apart and all late model A's changed with the e2? Gevarm had absolutely no standardizing !!! Forends on the takedowns changed between years and I have heard that many parts wee hand fitted in France to ensure they functioned properly before shipping. This is what makes them so unique but such a PITA when you need parts like a mag!!
 
I will say, you do seem to know the guns pretty well. I've dabbled in them for years on and off and mostly got frustrated and little else.
The most mags I've ever had with any of the Gevarms I owned was 1...that actually worked. I had lots that didn't. It was always the factory 8 rounder that came with it that worked. The various 20's I tried did not work properly at all. Sure, you could get the odd round to work, right up until it stovepiped and jammed yet again.

I would really like to find a way to get the new (8 & 15 rd) repros to work...the photos showing the feed lips above from 9.3mauser (thanks man!) will be a great guide to help with metal removal.

The 20 rounders are different still. The one factory one I had (this was about 20 years ago) had lips bent like in post #6.
 
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