Restricted firearms purchases from Epps

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Please remember that under the current firearms laws, when purchasing a Restricted-class firearm, the gun must have a trigger lock installed, and be placed inside a lockable case before we can allow the gun to leave our store.

Many manufacturers (such as Ruger, Browning, some Beretta pistols, and others) provide cases that are too small to accept trigger locks, and are not drilled to allow the insertion of padlocks. If you do not have a lockable case, or the case that comes with your pistol will not close with a trigger lock installed, you must bring or purchase a lockable case before we can allow the gun to leave our store.

Again, this is mandated by the federal goverment and the Chief Firearms Office of Ontario. Please make certain you are able to legally transport your handguns/Restricted firearms before leaving our store.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter
 
It would be nothing for the stores to have a bag of zip ties, I keep a pile in my truck just for that reason, works great
 
"Rendered inoperable with a secure locking device and in a secure container not readily broken open", zip ties work for me!

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Does the ON CFO accept cable ties as being secure locking devices? If the ON CFO does not, why would Epps risk their business licence?
 
Does a zip tie constitute a secure locking device, maybe...maybe not.

It might be worth noting that everytime a police unit has media coverage of a significant bust of firearms, they are all secured with zip ties.

I would just buy a trigger lock and locks for the case anyways. Epps has a whole bucket of trigger locks for $6 and a nice selection of cases, its really not worth the risk.
 
Onagoth said:
It might be worth noting that everytime a police unit has media coverage of a significant bust of firearms, they are all secured with zip ties.
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apologies for reviving the thread, but that's probably just for the purpose of showing everyone they've been proven empty and safe..

right or wrong, the standard of storage when a gun is considered "evidence" is different than when stored in one's residence or while transporting. with most services, when a crime gun is sent to forensics, the only requirements are that a flag is inserted into the barrel.. it's then put into a cardboard box and shipped off to be printed and test fired.
 
A pad lock should do on the trigger, or a canle lock threw the barrel oe threw the mag housing, and or a cable lock wtraped around the carry handle of the case.
 
the comeback kid said:
apologies for reviving the thread, but that's probably just for the purpose of showing everyone they've been proven empty and safe..

right or wrong, the standard of storage when a gun is considered "evidence" is different than when stored in one's residence or while transporting. with most services, when a crime gun is sent to forensics, the only requirements are that a flag is inserted into the barrel.. it's then put into a cardboard box and shipped off to be printed and test fired.
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"standard of storage"? To be clear, the law with respect to storage is the SAME for law enforcement. Doesn't matter if its in ident or forensics, the same law that applies for one at home is the same that applies to us.
 
As per Firearms Act, shipping of restricteds must be "unloaded". I have never read of something with trigger locks. But nothing's wrong with putting locking device on the firearm. Is this thread for cases like buying a restricted and obtaining an ATT from the gunshop and taking it home?
 
Onagoth said:
I would just buy a trigger lock and locks for the case anyways. Epps has a whole bucket of trigger locks for $6 and a nice selection of cases, its really not worth the risk.
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Most gun owners should probably not remove their guns from the safe since some may have a sharp corner...may draw blood. It's just not worth the risk.
 
TRANSPORTATION OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS
11. An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if
(a) it is unloaded;
(b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;
(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and
(d) if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,
(i) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and
(ii) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.
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Main Entry: 3lock
Function: verb
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1 a : to fasten the lock of b : to make fast with or as if with a lock <lock up the house>
2 a : to fasten in or out or to make secure or inaccessible by or as if by means of locks <locked himself away from the curious world> b : to fix in a particular situation or method of operation <a team firmly locked in last place>
3 a : to make fast, motionless, or inflexible especially by the interlacing or interlocking of parts <lock wheels> <lock a knee> b : to hold in a close embrace c : to grapple in combat; also : to bind closely <administration and students were locked in conflict>
4 : to invest (capital) without assurance of easy convertibility into money
5 : to move or permit to pass (as a ship) by raising or lowering in a lock
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IMO, using zip ties is an effective method of securing your restricted firearms according to the F.A. and the definition of "lock". However, I could see many LEO's interpreting "locked" to mean using a key or combination lock - so you might get charged anyway. If you're running a business, do you really want to risk it? I wouldn't.
 
I think that the tie straps are more than adequate for a trigger locking device for shipping... and if LEO were to question their use, it would be easy to remind them that it's the same device that they handcuff protesters with...;)

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Zip ties need a mechanical means of removal (side cutter). I use them when transporting all of my guns restricted and non. A gun lock would still require a mechanical means to remove when you don't have the key or can't find your keys.
 
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