Restricted in Trunk During Work Day?

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There is a range really close to my work, which is not so close to home (about 45mins).

If I am a member at that club, and have an LTATT to take restricted firearms there, can I leave them locked in a separate container, locked in the trunk, during the workday? Is that considered safe storage in an unattended vehicle?

Or, do I have to first drive all the way home, pick up the firearms then drive back?

Is this open to interpretation or strictly regulated?

Does the same apply for non-restricted firearms?

It would be great to miss the rush-hour traffic by shooting just around the corner from work!!
 
You won't get a clear answer on this due to the wording of the laws. What's reasonable to you might not be to the next guy...

But... I may know a guy who has done it and his #### didn't fall off and to the best of my knowledge no puppies died
 
Fine for non-restricted, although your workplace may have a policy against it, but debatable at best for restricted. I'd bet that any LEO, prosecutor or liberal judge would take the position that going to work isn't incidental or "reasonably direct, in all the circumstances" to a trip to the range. They'd say having access to restricted's at work was contrary to the intent of the law. How would they find out? Theft, anti-gun busy body, accident, car troubles, flat, etc.
 
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I think skip1600 is right, there are threads where people say it's no problem because it's still direct, you're just taking an 8 hour pause. If you had to drive around for your job at all it could be a problem. Best is call the CFO and ask, record the phone call.
 
skip1600 said:
You won't get a clear answer on this due to the wording of the laws. What's reasonable to you might not be to the next guy...

But... I may know a guy who has done it and his #### didn't fall off and to the best of my knowledge no puppies died
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The "next guy" could be a Judge IF things go terribly wrong. But what are the odds of that happening? One of those "don't ask, don't tell" situations perhaps. Only you can decide.
 
That's a tricky one. It'll probably wind up in court if the wrong people get wind of it. I asked our CFO about it when I got my RPAL and she was fairly adamant that it was to be a straight there, straight back kinda trip.
 
I've been told by several people that you can't. if your vehicle is not in plain view then the restricted firearm is no longer being transported, it is being stored and you can't store a restricted firearm in a vehicle.
 
I'm sure some judge would agree with a prosecutor that you were "improper storage" of a "restricted firearm", when it was just sitting in your car during your work-day.

Sorry, that's the way I interpret it...sucks, but then none of us made the stupid law. The laws were created by people that HATE that we own guns.
 
J.L.C. said:
There is a range really close to my work, which is not so close to home (about 45mins).

If I am a member at that club, and have an LTATT to take restricted firearms there, can I leave them locked in a separate container, locked in the trunk, during the workday? Is that considered safe storage in an unattended vehicle?

Or, do I have to first drive all the way home, pick up the firearms then drive back?

Is this open to interpretation or strictly regulated?

Does the same apply for non-restricted firearms?

It would be great to miss the rush-hour traffic by shooting just around the corner from work!!
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In your case, taking a restricted to work would be a reasonably direct route in my opinion, but I remember reading on here about a guy that wanted to do pretty much the same thing in BC, but was told no by the CFO. He was told that he had to getthrough something like 1.5 hours of rush hour traffic to go home, then go back through the same traffic to get to the range that was about 10 minutes from where he worked. Their interpretation of reasonable seems to be no one having any guns, or if they do, not being able to use them. Having said all this, I'm sure a lot of people do exactly what you want to do and never say anything about it. I bring a rifle with me to work lots of days on the off chance that I might have an early day and go to the range. Whatever you decide, good luck with it.
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I've actually called the CFC about this. Work, Home and the range are roughly triangular to each other; that is I would not take the same highway to go home from work that I would if I'm going to the range. I called and was completely up front with the lady who answered my question.

"I live in Hamilton, work in Burlington, and my range is Silverdale. I'm interested in buying a restricted rifle. As a member, Silverdale is open 7 days a week to me. Is there any law or reason I cannot bring my restricted rifle with me to work, keep it securely stored in my vehicle as per RCMP reg's, and then drive directly to the range?"
"So you cannot reasonably drive home to pick up the restricted firearm after work and then go to the range?"
"Not reasonably, no. It would add about 45 minutes and 60 kilometers to my drive, each time I go."
"How often do you want to do this?"
"Probably twice a month"
"How and where is your vehicle parked?"
"It's an SUV in a private compound in a commercial area. Normally no foot traffic. It's fenced but the gate is open during the day."
"Not a public parking lot or on-street?"
"No"
"Then your parking is secure and firearms out of sight, satisfying the requirements."
"What about the "reasonably direct" requirement?"
"Your route is reasonably direct. It's reasonable to bring the rifle with you to work and secure it there since not doing so would require a substantial detour."

I recorded the time and date I spoke with the lady. I suggest you call and do the same.
 
Quoted from a "Police Information and Referral" sheet I have in my grubby little hands, under the "Transport" section:

"Firearms (restricted and unrestricted) left in an unattended vehicle:
Same rules as for transporting replica firearms."

Replica firearms must be locked in the trunk or in a similar lockable compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk or compartment that can be locked, the firearms and replica firearms must be placed out of sight inside the vehicle, and the vehicle must be locked

In big, giant, bold letters at the bottom of this document it states, "This is not a legal text." That being said, the fact that legislators included provisions for firearms being left in an unattended vehicle, one could conclude that it can REASONABLY be done. But then question becomes, what is reasonable? Like other posters, the CFO is probably the individual you'd want to discuss this issue with.
 
Poochy said:
In big, giant, bold letters at the bottom of this document it states, "This is not a legal text." That being said, the fact that legislators included provisions for firearms being left in an unattended vehicle, one could conclude that it can REASONABLY be done. But then question becomes, what is reasonable? Like other posters, the CFO is probably the individual you'd want to discuss this issue with.
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One thing to remember. The CFO is not the final authority. IF you have a really, really bad day and the sh!t hits the fan, what is considered reasonable will be decided by a Judge. LEO's love to recommend/lay charges and "let the courts sort it out" as they so often say. Which of course will cost you time & money. Operate within your comfort level.
 
skip1600 said:
You won't get a clear answer on this due to the wording of the laws. What's reasonable to you might not be to the next guy...

But... I may know a guy who has done it and his #### didn't fall off and to the best of my knowledge no puppies died
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I'm a woman and if I did this, could something possibly fall off of me, or out of me as the case may be. also i love puppies but wouldn't mind if a couple of local skunks disappeared.
 
Well 1 man in BC went to the range then watched a movie on his way home had his car broken into and the firearm stolen.... Can't remember which way the case went...
 
I asked the CFO this question a few years ago, as I wanted to go to an IPSC shoot, starting at 6:00, 45 minutes from my work. If I had to go home, then to the shoot, it would have added 1.5 hours to the trip. I was told that no, this was not a resonabley direct route, and I was turned down.
 
Noltz said:
I've actually called the CFC about this. Work, Home and the range are roughly triangular to each other; that is I would not take the same highway to go home from work that I would if I'm going to the range. I called and was completely up front with the lady who answered my question.

"I live in Hamilton, work in Burlington, and my range is Silverdale. I'm interested in buying a restricted rifle. As a member, Silverdale is open 7 days a week to me. Is there any law or reason I cannot bring my restricted rifle with me to work, keep it securely stored in my vehicle as per RCMP reg's, and then drive directly to the range?"
"So you cannot reasonably drive home to pick up the restricted firearm after work and then go to the range?"
"Not reasonably, no. It would add about 45 minutes and 60 kilometers to my drive, each time I go."
"How often do you want to do this?"
"Probably twice a month"
"How and where is your vehicle parked?"
"It's an SUV in a private compound in a commercial area. Normally no foot traffic. It's fenced but the gate is open during the day."
"Not a public parking lot or on-street?"
"No"
"Then your parking is secure and firearms out of sight, satisfying the requirements."
"What about the "reasonably direct" requirement?"
"Your route is reasonably direct. It's reasonable to bring the rifle with you to work and secure it there since not doing so would require a substantial detour."

I recorded the time and date I spoke with the lady. I suggest you call and do the same.
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That sounds encouraging :)

I just called to ask the same question and the woman I spoke with told me I'd have to speak directly with the CFO to have my LTATT ammended and gave me the extension number to call.

The response I got doesn't seem as promising...
 
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