Review of mounting a scope Tikka vs the rest

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I bought a new Tikka T3 a while back and the individual I bought it from said something to me that stuck with me. I mentioned to him that I wanted to just mount the rings on the rifle as it would be better than using bases as well, he said it wouldn't make any differences mounting bases. This generated some thought, so I compared the two different setups side by side:

1st setup:

machined locations on rifle for bases, machined bases, machined rings - this is three machined pieces that have a cumulation of tolerances. The machining operations include profiling the barrel, drilling and tapping the base locations, machining the bases, drilling holes for the bases to mount onto the barrel, machining bore of the rings, slitting the rings, the dovetail of the rings, the removable portion of the dovetail, the mounting screw.

2nd setup:

rings mounted directly on rifle does two things for you, first the grooves on the rifle that accept the rings are machined true to the rifle, this is either done in one setup where they can do all machining at once which is best, or in a few setups where they have to take the receiver on and off the machine to do all machining steps, they'll just have to touch off a couple of known reference points. The machining operations involved are the dovetail profile on the rifle, machining bore of the rings, slitting the rings, the dovetail of the rings, the removable portion of the dovetail, the mounting screw.

So comparing the first setup with the second setup:

1st setup - there are minimum of nine machining operations on seven different components (2 ring top halves, 2 ring bottom halves, 2 bases, 1 barrel) - the three primary dimensions x, y, z are used to machine during each operation so that is 9x3 = 27 dimensions where error can cumulate.

2nd setup - There are six machining steps on five different components (2 ring top halves, 2 ring bottom halves, 1 barrel), the three primary dimensions x,y, z there are 5x3 = 15 dimensions where error can cumulate.

By the time these tolerances cumulate this can create stress on the tube of the scope, this is why I assume that some like the Burris setup with the inserts as it would help to alleviate some of these problems.

All toll assuming the two setups have the same tolerances used in manufacturing their componets, the Tikka setup will always come out a clear winner. It is less complex and a better design to attach your scope.
 
Regardless of the methodology, I always lap my rings. By using the lapping bar as pseudo scope, it allows you to ensure that the rings are square before tightening them down. As well, it allows you to remove any imperfections that can damage your scope.
 
I totally agree...I've never been able to see why owners of Tikkas and Sakos often use those ridiculous Optilock bases and rings on rifles with integral grooves. I've had several Sakos and always equipped them with either the Sako ringmounts, or better yet the Leupolds. Less chance for tolerance stacking, and much cleaner and more attractive.

And +1 for ring lapping as well.
 
Optilocks are made by SAKO and are very solid and align the best out of any scope mount I have tryed. The problem with the Millet type mounts that use the grooves is that they are prone to letting goe! I had my dads 6.5 Swedish come off as the lug sheered off, making him miss a nice cow moose! The old style Tikka M65/55 one piece rings were best as they had a stop nut on the side of each ring preventing the scope from ever slipping as the side screws fit against the action opening. I wish they still made this fine ring. I have been usiung the Burriss screw in base with Redfield type of rings with great success of late. Like I said you will not get a better set of rings than the Opti Locks, but maybe EAW makes Sako/Tikka mounts, check them out at NECG sights.com, cheers Dale Z!
 
One thing about Burris Signature...and Optilocks, too...is no lapping required. Pretty much perfect alignment every time, without marking up expensive scopes.

The annoying thing about Burris Sigs is that they don't get into one piece "ring mounts", which is a shame because these are certainly a good idea. If they came out with Signature ring mounts for the T3, Sakos and CZs, they'd grab a fair share of that market.

Not to mention that, were Signature ring mounts available for my Remington/Vanguard, they'd definitely be wearing 'em right now.
 
I for one will never pay for optilocs when I feel that there are options that are every bit as good ,or better,for less money.I was actually given a set of optilocs to mount on my Sako 85,but they could not be positioned far enough forward to provide proper eye relief.The Leupold ringmounts have less parts,are half the price,and they can be positioned farther forward on the dovetails than the optilocs.Mine required virtually no lapping either.
 
.I was actually given a set of optilocs to mount on my Sako 85,but they could not be positioned far enough forward to provide proper eye relief.

You could have gotten a set of extention style rings to aliviate your problem as this is common with the new stubby tubed scopes being produced today, cheers Dale Z:)
 
You could have gotten a set of extention style rings to aliviate your problem as this is common with the new stubby tubed scopes being produced today, cheers Dale Z

By using the Leupold ringmounts,I didn't have to resort to using extension rings.
 
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