Rifle/Calibre recommendations for new hunter....
- Thread starter Kwattro
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john-brennan
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver Island B.C.
270
The short mags are great i use a 270WSM but if your new at it you won't find a new inexspensive rifle in one but maybe used. You can'y lose buying a savage or stevens in 270, 30-06, 308, 7mm-08 something along those lines.
The short mags are great i use a 270WSM but if your new at it you won't find a new inexspensive rifle in one but maybe used. You can'y lose buying a savage or stevens in 270, 30-06, 308, 7mm-08 something along those lines.
Biguglyman, In my barnes loading manual #3 I have the exact # you quoted but under the 165 gr bullets on page 357.
In 180 gr the # are
61 gr IMR 4831 @ 2956 fps
57 gr H380 @ 2858 fps
57.5 H414 @ 2932 fps
fastest load for the 180 gr XLC is 64 grains of MRP @ 2965 fps
seems like your manual put the 165-168 gr loads in the 180 gr spot.
In 180 gr the # are
61 gr IMR 4831 @ 2956 fps
57 gr H380 @ 2858 fps
57.5 H414 @ 2932 fps
fastest load for the 180 gr XLC is 64 grains of MRP @ 2965 fps
seems like your manual put the 165-168 gr loads in the 180 gr spot.
BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
What does your 180 grain data say...this could be really bad. The reason you never start with max loads :twisted:
BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- New Scotland
Sh*t-o-gram sent to Barnes.
Maybe I should blow up an '06 with their data and write Handloader Magazine about it.
Perhaps if enough people send mail we'll hasten Manual #4 and maybe get a CGN discount.
Maybe I should blow up an '06 with their data and write Handloader Magazine about it.
Perhaps if enough people send mail we'll hasten Manual #4 and maybe get a CGN discount.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
While working up loads for a .264 win mag.,I blew the tail piece off a M70 using a VERY low load with XLC Barnes and their load table for H4831, but using H1000, and slightly slower powder. It was something like a staring load for the XLC but a max load for the uncoated bullet IIRC.
We did it again in another rilfe to make sure there were no defects.
The tail piece is held on by a little cross pin and was replaced with a roll pin.
When Old Badger phoned Barnes all he got was crap for changing powders!
He tried to explain that the one powder was actullay safer with that load than the other and that they haqd made some kind of mistake but they wouldn't
listen.
When we got the quikload program there was a big discrepency in the same powder and carge than the Barnes book used.
I do not trust that book at all! :shock:
Cat
We did it again in another rilfe to make sure there were no defects.
The tail piece is held on by a little cross pin and was replaced with a roll pin.
When Old Badger phoned Barnes all he got was crap for changing powders!
He tried to explain that the one powder was actullay safer with that load than the other and that they haqd made some kind of mistake but they wouldn't
listen.
When we got the quikload program there was a big discrepency in the same powder and carge than the Barnes book used.
I do not trust that book at all! :shock:
Cat
First big game rifle.
I've read the reviews on the new "cost effective rifles" but am still not completely sold. Yes new guns like the Mossberg 100 ATR, the Stevens Model 200 and the Remington Model 710 all seemed to get decent reviews and are very reasonable money wise.
However I still believe that you get what you pay for. Yes these rifles might all shoot well, but are they built to last a lifetime? I've suggested that friends starting out forget about one of these new rifles and purchase a quality used rifle. Some of these guns are going for about the same low price as the cheaper new ones and there is no comparison in quality, at least in my opinion.
I don't think you could ever go wrong finding a good used Remington, Winchester or Ruger bolt in something like a 270, 308 or 30-06. It's your money but these rifles are readily available from any used gun rack and they have all weathered the test of time.
I've read the reviews on the new "cost effective rifles" but am still not completely sold. Yes new guns like the Mossberg 100 ATR, the Stevens Model 200 and the Remington Model 710 all seemed to get decent reviews and are very reasonable money wise.
However I still believe that you get what you pay for. Yes these rifles might all shoot well, but are they built to last a lifetime? I've suggested that friends starting out forget about one of these new rifles and purchase a quality used rifle. Some of these guns are going for about the same low price as the cheaper new ones and there is no comparison in quality, at least in my opinion.
I don't think you could ever go wrong finding a good used Remington, Winchester or Ruger bolt in something like a 270, 308 or 30-06. It's your money but these rifles are readily available from any used gun rack and they have all weathered the test of time.
Used guns can be a great bargain, but while they have been weathering the test of time, they have also been getting someway along the line to wearing out. If someone isn't confident they have the ability to judge how much useful life there is left in a particular used firearm, they may be better off buying a new budget rifle. The peace of mind that comes from a manufacturer's warranty can be valuable, and with advances in technology, even these budget rifles may be better than Remington, Winchester or Ruger was when it was new some years ago.
I'm usually inclined to shop used first, to save money, and have had good luck with my purchases so far, but I've bought new guns, too, which were not the high end models, and they are working well.
I'm usually inclined to shop used first, to save money, and have had good luck with my purchases so far, but I've bought new guns, too, which were not the high end models, and they are working well.
