Rifle redeems itself, is saved from crusher

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In other threads, I've described this as my 'never sell' firearm. In truth, I think it's gorgeous, but has never shot well for me.

By not well, I mean terribly. I've always used IMR4350 for 30-06, and have always had good results. With this rifle, I tried a couple of go-to loads, and was disappointed. So I tried some other loads... mild loads, MAX loads, .5 grain increments, etc. Then I started in with the different bullets. I tried a total of 7 different bullets, brands and weights, each with numerous different powder charges.

The rifle was turning out groups between 3 inches and AOP (all over the paper). I was getting pissed...

EDIT: I just remembered that I had a handful of Federal Premium 180gr TSX in my arsenal, and fed it them too... 2.5-3" as well.

Check scope mounts; all tight and good. Check seating lengths; the throat measured a bit short, but not terribly so. Check headspace; it's right at the minimum, but still OK... Check brass; some of them are long... trim all.

Still pathetic, and what's worse is that when switching bullet weights, the POI would sometimes be 2' (that's two feet) different from one to the next.

3 days ago I was ready to throw that thing in the Athabasca, or sell it on the EE a-la Win94 with full disclosure.

I happened to be loading some rounds for my 7-08 using H4350. I thought I'd give the Winchester one last faint hope, and checked the manuals. I then loaded a small handful of 150 and 180 gr rounds using the Hodgdon powder. I wasn't optimistic... after all, the 4350's are so similar, right?

With the simple change in powder, this rifle has now produced numerous groups under 1" at 100y, and what's better yet, the difference in POI from 150 to 180 gr is only 4", straight vertical. The best group was one this afternoon with the 150's, measuring 0.613" outside-outside, or 0.305" c/c.

I guess I won't throw it off the bridge after all.
 
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I gave up on IMR powders a while back.....nothing but Rel and Hodgdon in my cabinet...maybe some WW.......glad to see it's shooting...a rifle that looks that good is a teribble thing to crush or toss off a bridge.....:)
 
Thanks Rembo.. that rifle is in 99% perfect condition, with a really nice piece of lumber on it, glass bedded, free floated and the trigger breaks just South of 3 pounds... I'm pretty glad it's shooting too LOL

I do use Hodgdon for the most part, but have tried a couple of IMR powders and recipes with success, and IMR4350 has always treated me very well in 30-06.
 
Nice when that happens,I had the same thing with a Sako Model 78 in 22 Hornet.I could not make it group.Same as you i was getting ready to give it to someone i didn't like.As a last chance I went and got a pound of win 680,could not get it to shoot over a 1" after that.
 
The first gun I bought my son Brendan was a PF m70 carbine in 270, same sort of thing, different powders, different bullets all terrible except cheapie federal 130's. Finally tried a flatbased bullet with a magnum primer and voila, 1 inch over and over again.
 
Imr4350

The two rifles in .300 Win Mag I've owned [Ruger tangsafety Model 77 and Browning A-bolt composite stalker] have both loved 70 grains of IMR4350 behind a 180 grain SP bullet.......... :eek:
 
Well, this is nice to see. I am about to buy my first group of powders to begin reloading. Will start off with my 223 and then on to the 308 and 30-06.
Hard to choose just a few when there are so many choices but reading a lot of these forums there is a pattern coming up. Looking like my first buy will be one IMR and one each of the Reloader and the Hodgdon too to begin. Still though probably not the only powders I will buy eh?
 
Well, this is nice to see. I am about to buy my first group of powders to begin reloading. Will start off with my 223 and then on to the 308 and 30-06.
Hard to choose just a few when there are so many choices but reading a lot of these forums there is a pattern coming up. Looking like my first buy will be one IMR and one each of the Reloader and the Hodgdon too to begin. Still though probably not the only powders I will buy eh?

For your .223 I would suggest Varget. It is a proven performer in that cartridge. It's also good for the .308.
 
@ Bogie:

You'd do just fine with a bottle of Varget and a bottle of H4350... although there are lots and lots of different powders that work in those rounds :D
 
late model M70s were known for spotty accuracy and issues with QC. THe new ones are supposed to be way more accurate
 
late model M70s were known for spotty accuracy and issues with QC. THe new ones are supposed to be way more accurate

It will be interesting to see what the new ones are like. I'd love another one to match this in 270.

I must say that I've never had a rifle which required SO MUCH f'ing around at the reloading bench to find the magic load.
 
No, no, your way off these are made of all metal and therefore are works of art made by the finest craftsman in the industry.;)


and don;t forget, made using "modern metallurgy", making them superior to all before them:p

myself I've found late model M70's to be quite accurate, but lighter barrel contours like the Rem Mtn rifle and Win FW can definitely be finicky. good work getting it to shoot!
 
Hmm...the last two late model M70 Classics I bought were only so-so for accuracy. The .30-06 does about an inch @ 100 yards and the .270 WSM is only slightly better at 3/8" @ 100 yards (both w/three shot groups) Yup, pretty piss-poor if you ask me. Perhaps with carefully tailored handloads, I can improve on that and make it more acceptable. I mean after all, they are hunting rifles and should be capable of better, eh? Oh well, I'll pick up a couple of the new introduction ones next year and hopefully they'll have those horrible accuracy issues straightened out ;)
 
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