Rifle Survival Cal .22 M4

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Stuartsbasement

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For those whose interest I piqued, I have one of these Made by H&R Arms Co., Ltd. in Drummondville P.Q. Canada. It even has the "C broad arrow" on it. I have seen heard US versions but not any Canadian ones (except mine :D)


When it says .22, it means .22 Hornet! :confused:

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You can see one of the "C broad arrows" above the reciever serial numbers as well as the Mfg. stampings.

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My question to you is; are these things rare, does anyone know the history (date in service, date retired), any manuals around, are the tapped holes supposed to be there (I really doubt it), any photos of it in its "natural" setting, any stories of it actually being used (by pilots) and how about values... There is a link http://www.fullautoclassics.com/survival.aspx and they value the US versions at $2.850.00!:eek: Is that insane or is that the going price, or is it the price of them down there only? I mean if I wanted to sell it, is there really a market out there and people actively searching for this odd little item. It is a fun rifle to shoot, not too accurate and the ammo is somewhat expensive.

Thanks for your time and input.
 
Survival rifle carried aboard RCAF F-86 Sabre Jet in the 50's, holes are not supposed to be there.
 
My understanding was that when Canada went to build the F86 Sabres, the plans from the US included everything from the map light to the survival rifle.

I had one for a while, and I have seen probably a dozen more for sale over the last half dozen years. It would seem a lot of them were deactivated, and later repaired. Also, most of the ones I see are mismatched. Serial numbers on the barrel, receiver and bolt should match.

The M-4s are restricted due to their overall length. I've seen a few of them with a block welded into the collapsible stock to try and keep it above the 26" limit, but I don't believe the CFC will accept that. One could make a longer barrel for it and that should be acceptable to de-restrict it. As a restricted gun, and relegated to the range only, the price is not what it would be in the US. Also, as a short barrelled weapon in the US, it would have to have been registered as such about 40 years ago, otherwise, you cannot have that short barrel with it down there. As such, the numbers available down there are limited, which is why the price is so high.

The value of these North of the US/Canada border is not as great as in the US. I paid $325 for my all matching example, but that was a steal. I've seen a few deactivated examples go for around $125-150. On the upper end, I have seen some sell in the $650 area, and seen guys asking $700-800 for them.

Numrich arms in the US has parts for the M4, but they are restricted from export as a military weapon.
 
i should dig it out, but a while back i found an ad clipping and the order paperwork, looks like my grandfather ordered one. the price was $19.95 IIRC. no idea what became of it in the years since.
 
I've had a nice, C Broad Arrow marked, matching M4 for a few years now. The fellow I bought it from loved it for carrying on the tractor to shoot ground hogs with. They don't seem really common, but as mentioned earlier, the US prices also don't seem realistic in Canada. And no, the holes don't belong. I need the original canvas carry case for mine, but haven't come across one yet.
 
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