rimfire accuracy

[fuzzy]

i keep reading about people with there CZs and there accuracy out to 100 yards. i have a savage bvts ( laminate stock, heavy barrel, and accutrigger) at 50 yards its a tack driver all day long.if i go out to 100 its all over the place and the ammo doesnt seem to matter from eleye match to cci blazers. any thoughts or should i just buy a CZ

thanks fuzzy

 

[JimV]

i keep reading about people with there CZs and there accuracy out to 100 yards. i have a savage bvts ( laminate stock, heavy barrel, and accutrigger) at 50 yards its a tack driver all day long.if i go out to 100 its all over the place and the ammo doesnt seem to matter from eleye match to cci blazers. any thoughts or should i just buy a CZ

thanks fuzzy

Individual guns can vary quite a bit in accuracy, so I wouldn't automatically assume that a CZ would solve your problem.

For good results at 100 yds you will need:

- enough scope to see the bullet holes (I like 24x)
- ammo that the gun likes (you'll have to experiment); and standard velocity is usually more consistent
- a solid rest
- good breathing and trigger discipline
- ability to compensate for the wind (this is a biggie, and certainly my weakest point)

Below are my recent results with a BTVS. 10 shot groups, intermittent crosswind. Note that on target 5 four shots tore a single large hole, then the wind spread out the group.

You may end up with a CZ, but make sure you're doing everything else right first. Otherwise the new gun won't help.

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[kombayotch]

Were you switching back an forth between lubricated, and non-lubricated ammo? If so, don't! It may take quite a few rounds before the lubrication coats the barrel and it settles down. You really short-change match ammo if you test it alongside cheap stuff.

 

[Grizzlypeg]

If its any consolation, my 100 yard groups with my CZ are not twice as large as my 50 yard groups, they are probably closer to 4x as large. I don't shoot with fancy ammo, just the best I can find for around $25 a brick. It seems like at 100 yards, some of your shots are right on and you feel like you could hit a ping pong ball or 12 gauge shotshell and then some are way off unexplainably. Junky ammo? Slight breeze?

 

[fuzzy]

ok guys thanks for the input

when i first got the gun i had about 100 rounds of eley, then used some winchesters now i have bought a couple of bricks of blazer cci's and they all seem about the same. i am using a 4 power fixed bushnell scope, this is what was recomended to me by the gun store that i purchased it from. at 100 yards i have close to 8 inches of drop compared to my 50 yard zero.

i would probably not care and have tons of fun if there was a 75 yard berm at the gun range i go to, it would be a happy medium for me i think. but until then i will whine about not shooting great groups at 100

fuzzy

 

[Clobbersauras]

Individual guns can vary quite a bit in accuracy, so I wouldn't automatically assume that a CZ would solve your problem.

For good results at 100 yds you will need:

- enough scope to see the bullet holes (I like 24x)
- ammo that the gun likes (you'll have to experiment); and standard velocity is usually more consistent
- a solid rest
- good breathing and trigger discipline
- ability to compensate for the wind (this is a biggie, and certainly my weakest point)

Below are my recent results with a BTVS. 10 shot groups, intermittent crosswind. Note that on target 5 four shots tore a single large hole, then the wind spread out the group.

You may end up with a CZ, but make sure you're doing everything else right first. Otherwise the new gun won't help.

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Great post. One other point to note is that many people neglect, especially with a rimfire at longer ranges, rifle cant. It has very noticeable affects on 22lrs especially at 100 yards. You also want to ensure that you instal your scope exactly level.

 

[Eagleye]

Great post. One other point to note is that many people neglect, especially with a rimfire at longer ranges, rifle cant. It has very noticeable affects on 22lrs especially at 100 yards. You also want to ensure that you instal your scope exactly level.

A variation in the "cant" of a rifle can have quite an effect on your long range results. However, not mounting a scope perfectly level has no efect whatsoever except when you adjust your scope for windage or elevation. If the scope is not perfectly level, your adjustment will automatically dial in some windage with your elevation, and vice versa. As far as groups go, as long as you do not cant the rifle differently during the shooting of the group, the fact that the scope is not perfectly level will not affect group size any.
With my SUHL 150, and my Remington 40X, using Match ammo in lot numbers they prefer, 10 shot groups at 100 on a dead calm day are usually right around ½" or so. I have shot numerous 5-shot groups at 200 yards that are under 1", but wind is such a factor with the 22 rimfire that a zephyr of a breeze can double the size of your group. Regards, Eagleye.

 

[sl66ICEcuba]

JimV your .22LR groupings at 100 yards are absolutely incredible!

 

[Winnipeg Toymaker]

I like to shoot out to 200 yards and the groupings I see are nothing to sneeze about. I do not use any fancy brand ammo nor match stuff and with practice and steady hands, group quite pleasing for me. I do not compare what others shoot, but shoot to please myself and my capabilities. Wind can affect the flight and even powder loads within the same brand of ammo.

 

[JimV]

JimV your .22LR groupings at 100 yards are absolutely incredible!

Thanks. I was lucky that the rifle turns out to be very accurate and performs well with mid-range target ammo. Ely Club is the best so far. SK+ is also good but tends to have one underpowered round in every 50 or 60.

Wind is the tricky bit. The range sits in a shallow basin with a partial berm on one side. Wind swirls around and sometimes moves one direction at 50 yds and the opposite at 100 yds. It's difficult to compensate. My experience is that a light crosswind (maybe 20kph at a guess) will move the bullet up to 1.5" off POA. You can see the difference between calm and windy shots.

Sounds like the OP is zeroed at 50 and holding over for the 100 yd shots. He is also using only a 4x scope. Pretty hard to get a tight group under those conditions. However, the BTVS is inherently pretty accurate, at least mine is.

 

[Eagleye]

The CZ's, the BTVS, and a couple of other rimfires are reasonably accurate, but not the rifles you would take to a BR 100 meter [or even a 50 meter] serious shoot. But for the average guy looking for a great 22 without breaking the bank, they are the cat's meow.
Here's a 10-shot each, 50M target from a SUHL 150. Eagleye.

 

[scianna54]

I like to shoot out to 200 yards and the groupings I see are nothing to sneeze about. I do not use any fancy brand ammo nor match stuff and with practice and steady hands, group quite pleasing for me. I do not compare what others shoot, but shoot to please myself and my capabilities. Wind can affect the flight and even powder loads within the same brand of ammo.

How do you intend doing this, what rifle and barrel?

I question everybody who claims that he can shoot out to 200 yards with .22 and can actually hit the target, not very realistic with the average gun and ammo.

 

[JimV]

Here's a 10-shot each, 50M target from a SUHL 150. Eagleye.

Brilliant! Please don't come to any of our matches

Got any 100 Y or M results? I find that a lot more challenging due to the wind factor.

 

[Winnipeg Toymaker]

scianna54....your quote...


"How do you intend doing this, what rifle and barrel?"

"I question everybody who claims that he can shoot out to 200 yards with .22 and can actually hit the target, not very realistic with the average gun and ammo."

In answer to the above.....

Normally I would ignore a response like this but matter of fact, I shoot a Mossy 144 lsb c/w 27 inch heavy barrel....Many times I have shot out to 200 and hit targets including gophers. Average ammo and average gun. At the 200 yard range I shoot at, I hit clay pigeons and even golf balls (witnessed by many...every time a hit? not realistically but quite often). This past week, I was shooting gophers with a 1940 Marlin 81 .22 using Winchester hollows and ranged at 155 yards. The"lowly" .22 is very capable of even longer accuracy if you read some of the threads that are often shown on here.

Question all you want....but never under estimate the .22 in the right hands. I personally am still learning the gun and ammo capabilities.__________________

 

[speedjunkiesracing]

Try 300 yards. Watch the videos.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488108

 

[chopper 1]

.22 rimfire At 100 yds

I have shot 3/16 inch at 100 with a target barrel, 1/2 ounce Jewel trigger Ruger 10-22 , (witnessed) using original PMC scoremaster from the new dies sent to Mexico.

And one hole .23 caliber size 5 shot groups with a BSA ISU rifle with a 2 ounce trigger (also witnessed) using Lapua Club.

But with barrels conditioned to the ammo and a Bald Eagle rest with ABSOLUTELY NO WIND !

A heavy rifle, 36X scope and a high end bench rest allows no shooter effect, but the important part is no wind whatsoever.

 

[Clobbersauras]

How do you intend doing this, what rifle and barrel?

I question everybody who claims that he can shoot out to 200 yards with .22 and can actually hit the target, not very realistic with the average gun and ammo.

Please, do some searching in this forum regarding 200 yard rimfire shooting. Check some of my earlier posts for pics of I took of my results at 200 yards, and I'm not that great at it.

Here's my post from another thread:

It can be done and with not as much hassle as you suggest....

frying pan I shot with a 22lr at 200 yards. Lapua Super Club SV, 1050 fps, bc 0.114, 40g, scope height over bore 1.875 inches. Had to come up 79 clicks and hold over 2.5 mils, held off .75 mils for wind.

Awww crap I gone and done it again...... I took someones carefully thought out and planned dream, and then I threw it in the mud and stomped on it!

Taken from another forum on this board....

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[Eagleye]

Here's a little more reinforcement for the 200 meter 22 rimfire shooters. Also a rebuttal for the doubting "Thomas's" These have been posted at some time in the past, but here is another look. All the grids are ½" squares, all groups were shot with my 40X rimfire and a big Leupold. Regards, Eagleye.

 

[dryfire]

In our Vanc. Isl. Shooting Lea. championships last year Aug/2009 using an ISU 300m target scaled for 200yd. High score with centrefire was 588/600
rimfire was 540/600. The target has a .9MOA 10-ring and a .375MOA x-ring.
My plan this year is to use apertures all the way through and not just in the front half and better that 540.

 

[scianna54]

I am fairly new to rimfire, so I googled how much the bullet drop is at 100/200, 100 was 8 inches, 200 was like yaaards, at my range I cannot aim that high, there is a barrier, I am also wondering how it is possible to adjust a scope to that distance with such a huge drop - or do you guys just aim high, lol?

Explain more please.