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I am in the process of shopping for .22lr. I have owned fire arms for years, but never a .22

From the experienced shooters, just “how” good is a Ruger 10/22?
I have a gist card from Cabelas that will allow me to really pick whatever .22 I want and I am leaning towards a CZ 455 lux or a Ruger 10/22. I have also thought about the Mossberg tactical.

Does anyone have any encouraging words about the Mossberg?

I appreciate any feedback thank you
 
I bought a 10/22 carbine from Wolverine Supplies, put the archangel nomad on it because the HK G36 is my favourite gun, I took it to the range with 9 different types of ammo, found which worked best, the next 3 and a half hours were the time of my life! I was surprised how accurate it was after 800 rounds down the barrel with no break except to reload the mags
 
The Ruger 10/22 is the bench mark for all the other 22 semi autos on the market. I have a stock version, and two SR22's. If you ever decide to sell the 10/22, it'll sell in a flash on the EE for a reasonable price. You can't go wrong for the price with the basic 10/22, if you can find one this time of year, they've been selling very fast.
 
Savage MK II is the best bang for your buck, and is well known for it's accuracy! Lots of models to choose from as well.

No semi auto in the price range will compare, especially not a standard 10/22.

The CZ 455 does not have the same reputation as the 452, which is the better option of the 2.
 
A bolt action if accuracy/reliability and ease of maintenance are desirable traits for you. A CZ is great choice, maybe the best in the sub-$1000 class.

A semi like a 10/22 is good if you're a spray & pray type, and flying brass gets you going more than pinpoint accuracy. Econo semis like 10/22s and Marlin 795s both have crappy triggers out of the box. The benefit to the 795 is that if you do some trigger work with it, the quality of the factory barrel will reward you. In my experience, the 10/22 barrel won't do the same.

I have 5 bolt-action rimfires, and one semi auto~a 795 with a tuned trigger. My next 2 rimfires (planned) will also be bolt-actions.
 
Yea, bolt action and semi autos is really apples and oranges.

I just bought a Savage MKII TR based on reviews and because I wanted to develop the skills for precision shooting before investing in a .308 system. Some may chuckle at using a .22lr as "training wheels" for a .308. But why, as a newbie, bother blasting match .308 ammo when I'm just learning the basics.

Black Slide really needs to focus on what he wants out of the system to make a good decision. It's unrealistic to want the "best" out of the two actions, since they both have distinct benefits and costs, etc.
 
Most won't chuckle. Trigger time will improve your shooting way more than any mod you can put on your 308. 22's allow to get trigger time at a fraction of the cost. Fire away!!!
 
Oh, some do...

Most won't chuckle. Trigger time will improve your shooting way more than any mod you can put on your 308. 22's allow to get trigger time at a fraction of the cost. Fire away!!!

I was shooting a Ruger 22/45 mkIII at the range and chatted with the guy in the next lane. He asked a few questions about my pistol, nice guy. I offered him to shoot a clip off and he looked at me as if I was asking him to try out my tricycle!

He's blasting away .40S&W M&P, creating a shotgun pattern at 10 yards. He came to the range after me, and left before me. Maybe shot 100 rounds. I'm shooting 500 rounds, getting really good, for half the price of his!!!

I've got a .40S&W too, it's just too expensive to shoot that often. .22lr rocks!
 
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sorry...had to. :rolleyes:
 
I have a 10/22. The accuracy at 100 yards is amazing. We were shotting today very tigh groups at the range with my 10/22. The trigger has a very heavy pull stock, but I modified the trigger myself following some nutz's tricks, some elbow grease, mod the autobolt release and now the gun is extremely accurate and fun to shoot. My scope is a bushnell 4-32, wich I find is enough at 100 yds. After owning the 10/22 for three months, I am extremely happy with it.
 
Such a relative question... 10/22 vs CZ is a quality over quantity argument. A lot of people love the 10/22, but most people love it because of how much it can be modified, and very few proclaim it's out of the box accuracy, because from my research, out of the box, the majority of them are not very accurate by most peoples standards

But there is another relative statement, what one person considers accurate may not match my thinking. For me an accurate gun means it's capable of 1" or less at 100m. The CZ and Savage can do that with the right ammunition. I have yet to see any semi do it. My marlin model 60 came close at around 1.5" on a good day.

If you want a high quality rifle built to last with fine craftsmanship at an affordable price go for a CZ 452 model if you can find one. The 455 has a TOTALLY different barrel mounting system. The 452 is threaded and screwed into the receiver whereas the 455 is made to be easily interchangeable and is a slip fit held in place with two grub screws. CZ's also feature cold hammer forged and lapped barrels with near bentz, semi match chambers. They are probably the least picky of all the guns being discussed.

If you want a gun that is likely as accurate as the CZ but can do without the fine workmanship and handsome appearance of blued steel and walnut, the savage is an excellent choice. They are an excellent value for the money and will shoot much much more accurately than a semi auto. They can be somewhat picky about finding the right ammo, but once you do they are tack drivers. My FVT would regularly shoot sub 1/2" groups at 50m with aperture sights. The plastic stocks are not worth a pound of piss though. Expect to replace it or heavily modify it.

The 10/22... I have never owned one. I have shot many, but was less than impressed with both the accuracy and the wideness of the stock which is necessary to accommodate the fat lil' magazine. But, if you want to spend money you can chase the accuracy till it shoots good, and make it look however you want with all the aftermarket parts available.

The mossberg is a glorified airsoft gun in terms of quality. Cheap plastic shell held together with screws... Looks cool from a distance I guess. That huge carry handle and awkward moulded sights are junk though, and any optic mounted ends up several inches above the bore. A terrible design in my honest opinion.

I think of it in terms of cars;

CZ 452... Is like an affordable mid size luxury sedan

Savages... Are like a Toyota corolla, they work awesome but are kind of utilitarian.

10/22... is like a honda civic.

The mossberg is like a lada
 
Hi Black Slide,

All the opinions offered above are very valid. But as things usually are they are subjective.

You just have to get out there and try out various guns when you can, be it at rifle ranges, or just plinking at friends or just going out in the woods. Semi auto / bolt action / single shot / magazine, it all really comes down to personal choice and requirements.

Sites like this are great for getting differing views which is helpful, but ultimately the choice is yours. Get some guns in your hands and things will become clearer I'm sure.

Best of luck

rsf
 
Yea, bolt action and semi autos is really apples and oranges.

I just bought a Savage MKII TR based on reviews and because I wanted to develop the skills for precision shooting before investing in a .308 system. Some may chuckle at using a .22lr as "training wheels" for a .308. But why, as a newbie, bother blasting match .308 ammo when I'm just learning the basics.

Black Slide really needs to focus on what he wants out of the system to make a good decision. It's unrealistic to want the "best" out of the two actions, since they both have distinct benefits and costs, etc.

So you should know that the .22lr ballistics are very close to the .308 just at a shorter distance. So it's a great training tool. Ask any WWII vet why they trained with the .22lr.
 
I've owned several different rimfires including the ones you might be looking at to purchase and some that you might not be thinking of. My opinion of the quest for the perfect gun is there is no such thing as a perfect gun. Either it's beautiful and is a mediocre shooter or it looks like hell and shoots tight as a frogs pucker. If you need a real impression of what will work for you in terms of feel and function hang out at a competition either three position or silhouette for a few hours. Ask a few questions and I'll bet most guys would love to point you in the, well maybe not right direction but a direction. I've made a few purchases they have left me guessing as to what all the hype was about regarding certain rifles and went on my gut feeling for others that have proven really acurate.
It's no sercret that if you are looking for the holy grail of Acuracy a semi auto will leave you pulling your hair out, and buying a 10/22 will send you straight to the loony bin. But if if plain fun and plinking is what your after than a semi will be what the doctor ordered and a ruger has a near endless supply of aftermarket parts. That being said I have yet to see a 10/22 out shoot my sears 64 which is the same as the savage 64B offered today for just under $200 at most retailers.
If I can give you one piece of advice that I've learned from. Don't rush into it ask arround. Look at everything you can get your hands on. Spend some time at the ranges and ask the guys there if you can shoot what the have. Explain it to them and I'm sure you'll be able to find close to what you like and want.
Plus the hunt for the perfect rifle is half the fun. I love seeing the latest offerings.
 
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