Riveting a magazine

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Let's say, you're traveling stateside and happen across a great sale on mags. Or maybe your friend discovers that his .50 beo mag wasn't done correctly and needs help fixing the situation.

You have access to a drill and rivet gun. What is the best way to find the bottom of a follower at 5.5 rounds and neut- I mean, rivet a magazine?
 
First off. Depending on what state you’re transiting eg NY state which has a ten rd mag limit they DO NOT accept a pinned mag. Be aware there are several others also. I travel in the states several times a yr for comps an I’m surprised to see fellow Canadians risking a long prison sentence for being in possession of pinnned mags.
 
Okay, semantics and individual state laws aside. Maybe you have a NY legal 10 rounder and want to pin it to five before bringing it across the border.

I am guessing, measure from the top of the magazine to the top of the follower, remove the follower and measure the thickness ... Now you can figure out the bottom of the follower on an empty mag.
If you insert five rounds can you measure from the highest point of the magazine to the top of the follower? I'm guessing you could fit the tail of a caliper down one corner. If so, that measuremen, minus the empty mag measurement equals 5 rounds double stacked. Divide by 10 equals 1/2 round, multiply by 11 equals 5.5 rounds, plus your empty mag (feedlip to follower, plus the thickness of the follower should be where you mark the outside to drill?

If you can follow that, does it make sense?

Edit to add, don't forget to add half the diameter of your drill biy.
 
Remove the base plate. Fill magazine with 10 rounds, using your finger to replace the spring tension. Measure in from the bottom or use a caliper.

If it has round count view holes, you maybe able to use one of those holes. Glock 9mm mags put the rivet in 14 or 15 and you are good to go.

Use the shortest rivets that work to block the follower, but not so long that they interfere with the spring.
 
In the US? disassemble the mag & mail the springs followers and base plates back to yourself. hope you don't get tagged by ITAR for the mag bodies when coming back. They are all just components (in Canada) until assembled.

Pinning

disassemble - if you are pinning to 10 rounds, place 11 rounds and the follower in the body, mark or measure the follower then drill your 1/8" hole on or just above that line.
That way it will give you 10 rounds and just enough play for the action to work correctly. There should be just a little bit of play in the mag. If the rounds are tight up against the lip then some bolts will not be able to reciprocate across the top (say LAR mags in some ARs for example)

Also pinning. I don't know for sure 100% but I strongly believe that pinned magazines also need to be verified.
 
sean69 said:
In the US? disassemble the mag & mail the springs followers and base plates back to yourself. hope you don't get tagged by ITAR for the mag bodies when coming back. They are all just components (in Canada) until assembled.Pinning

disassemble - if you are pinning to 10 rounds, place 11 rounds and the follower in the body, mark or measure the follower then drill your 1/8" hole on or just above that line.
That way it will give you 10 rounds and just enough play for the action to work correctly. There should be just a little bit of play in the mag. If the rounds are tight up against the lip then some bolts will not be able to reciprocate across the top (say LAR mags in some ARs for example)

Also pinning. I don't know for sure 100% but I strongly believe that pinned magazines also need to be verified.
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They are NOT just components. Laddie in BC went to jail for importation and possession of disassembled, unaltered magazines.
 
Forget about buying in the US and bringing or sending the things back to Canada. You are violating US federal law.
Promoting illegal actions on CGN will get you permanently banned. Read the rules.
 
tiriaq said:
They are NOT just components. Laddie in BC went to jail for importation and possession of disassembled, unaltered magazines.
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hmm. I just spent an hour (that I really didn't have) going through the criminal code, firearms act and RCMP website looking for a definition of "magazine" (they like to call it a "cartridge magazine"). I could not find one.
I would suspect that is more of the intentional ambiguity that we see in these docs allowing judges to interpret as they see fit. I would think that if someone got charged specifically for that there is more to the story. (is there a link to the story?)

So let's put a pin in that, I sent a letter off to the CFO/RCMP asking for clarification about that, magazine definition, altering a magazine and verifying altered mags. So might or might not hear back about that in 6-8 weeks ... or maybe I'll get a visit from the RCMP looking for magazine parts.... who knows?



tiriaq said:
Forget about buying in the US and bringing or sending the things back to Canada. You are violating US federal law.
Promoting illegal actions on CGN will get you permanently banned. Read the rules.
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humm-haw..mmmmmm not our laws... but I guess not much of an excuse since it *IS* rule number one ..

"Any discussion and/or promotion of illegal activities. Moderators and site admin will use their best judgement in situations of legal ambiguity, or situations that may lead to legal risk exposure for www.canadiangunnutz.com. If you have any doubt, please use the "Legalese" forum. All decisions are final and must be complied with."


Duly noted, admonishment accepted and apology offered.

(though it kind of indicates every post on this thread is in violation.... ? )



Just as an interesting note about magazines and ITAR ... magazines are not specifically mentioned (!!??!!) though they could fall under categories I, II or III as "Accessories"
Just as interesting as that is that a US company does not have to be an exporter to ship ITAR items internationally, they just need to be "ITAR Compliant (and registered)" which allows them to ship certain parts and items in category II and III without an export permit.
 
The rules are even more specific
"The following topics will not be tolerated. Violation will result in immediate and permanent suspension. Some quasi legal/grey/downright illegal examples that are specifically not tolerated are:
1. Shipping and driving items to Canada from the US that require US export permit."

Should the RCMP tell you that importation and possession of disassembled over capacity magazines is OK, the chap who went to jail in BC will be more than pleased to hear the news. Nothing can be done about the time served, but his criminal conviction could be overturned.
 
Why bother? Last time I was stateside, the first gun shop I popped into had barrels of 30 rnd AR mags for $9.99 each. I bought a couple to use on my hunting trip and gave them away before I came home.

It was worth the $20.

$20 isn't enough for me to risk rotting in jail.
 
Just because you think it is stupid, which it is, don't mean you can do it.
some where in my files, I have a RCMP bulletin on this very thing
About 2 yrs ago maybe, I forget, anyway . Forget the US bargain thing. Not worth it.
 
Some examples of someone rotting in jail would be appropriate here.
I know competition shooters who used to compete in the US who have unpinned magazine bodies they transport, unassembled of course, with them so that they can compete under equal standards in the US.
Hes not rotting in jail...
 
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