RL-17 results with 308 Win.

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I've been testing RL-17 in my 308 Win. with 155 Scenars and 208 AMAX bullets. Here are my results (5 shot data) for where I got to.

26" 1-11 Schneider barrel (GAP Palma chamber)
Estimate bore area at .073806 sq.in.

155 Scenar
Lapua brass (55.7gr. water capacity fired in my chamber)
CCI BR2
COAL = 2.800" (OG = 2.185")
RL-17 (78F - today):
47.0gr. > 2704fps (avg.)
47.5gr. > 2735fps (avg.)
48.0gr. > 2760fps (avg.)
48.5gr. > 2810fps (avg.)
49.0gr. > 2819fps (avg.)
*switched chronographs
49.5gr. > 2875fps (avg.)
50.0gr. > 2903fps (avg.) Bit of shine from the EJ
50.5gr. > 2968fps (avg.) Clear EJ marks, stopped here.

208 AMAX
Hornady Match brass (57.4gr. water capacity fired in my chamber)
CCI BR2
COAL = 2.900" (OG = 2.175")
RL-17 (78F - today):
41.5gr. > 2244fps (avg.)
42.0gr. > 2256fps (avg.)
42.5gr. > 2296fps (avg.)
43.0gr. > 2323fps (avg.)
43.5gr. > 2363fps (avg.)
*switched chronographs
44.0gr. > 2418fps (avg.)
44.5gr. > 2477fps (avg.)


Data was taken on two different chronographs. However, both were CED Millenniums with the IR package.

I ran out of 208s. Thought I had another box, but it was 180 RN. With the 208, the brass at 44.5gr. showed less pressure than N550 at 44.0gr., which gives the same velocity. I was getting at bit of shine from the EJ with the N550, but nothing with RL-17. If I shake the loaded cases, I can hear the powder moving. So, there is still room in the case to go higher. I'm going to push it further once I get some more bullets.

I'm impressed with this powder with the heavy bullets and surprised that it got as far as it did with the 155s. With both these loads, the groups tightened up once the velocity got up there. I haven't done any work on accuracy yet though.

EDIT: One more comment I should make is that this powder burns incredibly clean. I'm looking at my fired cases and not seeing hardly any carbon on the insides of the necks. On the cases that were near max, the outside of the necks have almost no residue on them either.
 
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155 Scenar
IMR4895 (80F - old data)
43.0gr. > 2809fps (avg.)
43.5gr. > 2835fps (avg.)
44.0gr. > 2879fps (avg.)
44.5gr. > 2914fps (avg.)
45.0gr. > 2951fps (avg.)


208 AMAX
N550 (74F - old data):
42.0gr. > 2387fps (avg.)
42.5gr. > 2425fps (avg.)
43.0gr. > 2444fps (avg.)
43.5gr. > 2466fps (avg.)
44.0gr. > 2478fps (avg.)
 
I have never see RL17. Must be a dense powder if you can get 50 gr in a 308 case.

Did the 4895 get to over 2900fps without the extractor mark?

The extractor mark starts at very high pressure. I would back off a full grain from the load that first showed a mark.

For the 155 I have found N140 and N150 to produce velocity and very low SD. Much better than 4895 and a bit better than RL15.
 
Yep, 45.0gr. IMR4895 is gtg in my rifle. It isn't my goto powder though. I gave numbers for it because the Quickload predictions for it are very accurate. My goto powder for the 155 is H4895. 42.7gr. gets me over 2900fps without ejector marks. I get excellent groups from it and its thermally stable. Plus, unlike with Vargay, you don't have to re-tune your loads each time you buy a new keg of powder.

For pressure, I don't just go by the EJ marks. Just initially to give me an idea of where max is at. I think a better indicator is to keep reloading the same cases (bring the press to the range) and see how many loadings you get before the primer pockets loosen or you get another sign that the brass is finished. I'm going to get one of those RSI Pressure Trace systems if they ever get them back in stock again. I think it'll pay for itself in time and components in a pretty short time.
 
Very cool. Never tried RL-17. RL-15 is my go to powder that I use 95% of the time though I've had some great results from BLC(2)

My last load was IIRC 42.3 gr RL-15 with 165gr Barnes X. Not 100% on that powder measure as I don't have the record here but it shot pretty good!
 
Quote: "RSI Pressure Trace systems "

Please tell us more. Is it a stress guage system for chamber pressure?

I have one hooked to a Remington 7600 in 308 and a Winchester M70 308. Mine is home made, but has been calibrated with ammo tested in real pressure guns. It works very, very well.

If a commercial version was available that is not as clunky as mine, I would buy it.
 
One thing I really like about the Savage/Stevens action is the large firing pin hole in the bolt head - accounts for the head wobble.

This allow my primers to crater slightly when I get into the magnum+ pressure ranges. Very reliable over a bunch of actions. Soon after, I get ejector marks and really flat primers.

Works like a charm.

I know ALOT of shooters want to get rid of this problem but bushing their firing pin but I think this is silly. Making an action so that you don't get pressure signs doesn't mean the pressure isn't right up there.

Given the speeds shooters are extracting from small cases, I would love to see what the pressures actually are. I bet they are into proof pressure ranges or higher.

Jerry
 
Arrg! I got a call from the RSI guy today and he said he won't have any Pressure Trace systems till the end of October and that my being able to order one was some kind of a glitch.
 
Was out again today testing some loads with RL-17. Today it was the 190gr. SMK.

Hornady Match 308
210M
COAL = 2.775"
OG = 2.185"

RL-17 (70F - Today)

45.0gr. > 2551fps (avg.)
45.5gr. > 2543fps (avg.)
46.0gr. > 2564fps (avg.)
46.5gr. > 2603fps (avg.)
47.0gr. > 2635fps (avg.)

N550 (70F - Today)
45.0gr. > 2594fps (avg.)
45.5gr. > 2645fps (avg.)
46.0gr. > 2685fps (avg.)
46.5gr. > 2712fps (avg.)
47.0gr. > 2746fps (avg.)
 
190 SMK
N550: between 11 and 14
RL-17: between 14 and 20

208 AMAX
N550: between 8 and 14
RL-17: between 9 and 21

155 Scenar & RL-17: between 2 and 9

In most cases, getting smaller near the top of the load.
 
Here are the test groups at either the top of the load, or where I decided cap it. These are just preliminary groups. I haven't played with the seating depth or done anything to try and shrink them yet.

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155 Scenar + RL-17

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190 SMK + RL-17

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190 SMK + N550

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208 AMAX + RL-17 (flyer was me)

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208 AMAX + N550
 
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