Ross MK II ; Sporting rifle or Bubba'd milsurp?

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This wandered my way yesterday.
Was advertised as a factory sporter ( although it's nice enough that even as a Bubba'd milsurp, I'm still happy ) but it's got some peculiar features.
I've not seen it and won't for a week yet , but my son was good enough to snap these pic's...cel pic's but still pretty decent IMO


The spliced in wood in the place of the shell cutoff doesn't seem like it ought to be a factory feature but it's really well done.


The front and rear sights seem more military to me but I'm no Ross expert. But no-one shoots deer at 2000 yds, no?


But the butt plate and wrist cap seem decidedly un-military and a step up from Bubba IMO


The bbl length seems Milsurp; 27" is tad long IMO
The barrel band screams bubba, but it could be a replacement for a lost original.

I'm leaning toward Bubba'd
What say ye Ross gurus?
 
Bubba job of a military 1905. Supposing that rear sight is sound, it's worth at least what the whole rifle is. Has the follower been replaced or have they simply chopped the tab of the Harris Lever and left the follower intact?

As for value, maybe $200 at the absolute most. That rear sight is worth at least that, again, supposing it is fully functional and in decent condition.
 
I'd say a military sporter but a nice one.

If it's a factory sporter it should have serial numbers on the left side of the barrel or receiver if I remember correctly.
 
Tagged for interest... Hoping some of the hardcore Enfield/Ross crowd pipe in...

A friend, who's currently deployed to Kuwait, was mentioning that there were a number of commercial Ross's that were "militarized" early in WWII for the UK Home Guard and some other tertiary units. Real oddball rifles that look like Bubba'ed rifles, but are actually kinda the opposite.
 
It's definitely a bubba rifle. The sporting rifles have a different front sight. The stock would not have the cut outs for the awkward MkII3* hand guard either.

Also, I sold one of those sights to a member here not long ago for around $50 only missing the knob on the windage screw. They aren't worth a huge amount. I bought a receiver mounted CanTool target sight for a MkII for $100 recently. They are kind of a similar idea to a Parker-Hale or similar after market target sight.
 
Paid too much then. Ah well, Uncle Sheldon has promised me a couple of Milsurps; A Carcano carbine in 7.35 and a bolt-less full wood Ross.
Perhaps Karma will be kind and that Ross will be a MK 2.
Thanks folks
 
What calibre is that Ross??

If it's .280, it's definitely a sporter. If it's in .303 British, it's most likely (but not a %100 guarantee) that it's met Bubba.

IIRC there were some Ross rifles sold as what we'd call sporters in .303 British, I'm sure some of the real gurus (hello Smellie!!) will chime in??
 
It's pro-ported to be 303, as I'd said "I'm a week away" from getting to check it out.
I'd really be surprised if it wasn't a Bubba; but as Tinman remarked "It's a nice one"
It's still a Ross; that's good enough for me.
 
flying pig said:
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Also, I sold one of those sights to a member here not long ago for around $50 only missing the knob on the windage screw. They aren't worth a huge amount. I bought a receiver mounted CanTool target sight for a MkII for $100 recently. They are kind of a similar idea to a Parker-Hale or similar after market target sight.
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Kinda surprised at that. But I guess the lack of demand relates to low prices. While rare, if nobody wants it, it's not very valuable.
 
As Ax says, definitely not .280. I'm not 100% clear on the details but I believe the first .280s were Deerstalkers? Ax knows better than me. So they should look just like a MkII action but the bolt head will be the multiple lug design like the M-10 and MkIIIs.

Seems like most of the guys who are trading in Ross parts are glad to help out more than make a buck. There are a few holy grails but most guys won't give them up, nose caps being one of them.
 
That is a Ross 1905 Mk II military rifle which has been sporterized by a higher quality Bubba than most. The cuts on the top of the forewood suggest it was a Mk II 3*, however the rearsight is not the one usually seen with that model. That rearsight does look to be in good condition, and would be worth about $100 I would think. The buttplate and the pistol grip carving are better done than most for sure. May shoot not too badly, but beware that a lot of the 3* had their chambers reamed out and they really muck up the brass--basically fireform to something like a balloon. However, a lot do shoot them. Be interested to see what the bore is like--some are shot out, some are really really clean.

Ed
 
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