Ross rifle carbine, did it exist?

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I have a few Ross rifles, one has a 24 inch barrel, bolt not pinned, new bore. Came with a cut back military stock, when I examined the barrel you could still see the imprint in the blueing towards the muzzle of the typical front end band. This matched exactly to the distance for the bayonet. Was there actually a Ross M10 carbine. Thanks G
 
Sorry 26 inch barrel. Most shortened for prison duty( fix bayonets with a string ) were 24's or sporters I've seen. Which makes me question maybe a carbine. No serial just TE 7 0n the breech under the receiver. No stampings on the stock ( could be a replacement or sanded) Case hardening in bolt and receiver super. Does not appear to be reblued anywheres. G
 
I dont know if it was made at the ross factory but there is a pic on the net of a 1910 ross carbine.If you gogle 1910 ross carbine there is a photo of the carbine shown with a regular 1910 Ross.
 
Ross was always working on the rifle. He did make carbines but non were used by anyone. He's best was made around 1917. A 24" short rifle with all the updates. But as far as I have read only made one to test and by then politics had all but killed the ross rifle.
 
Yes Ross rifle carbines did exist but we're all modifications of the existing long rifles.

The Ross Rifle Story (a really hard to find book) does describe a mk 3 carbine modified at the request of a general in 1916, it had a full length stock and bayonet band but was obviously never adopted, it was just an "experiment." I do have a 24 3/4" sporter I restored to this spec for fun.

Keep in mind half a million Ross rifles were made and after they were pulled from frontline service in late 1916 they went to rear guard, police, private security or who ever.

There were a considerable number of "government carbines" made in WW2 that had ~24" barrels, midbands but no bayonet band. These were used by prison guards I believe and were issued with bayonets even though there's no bayonet lug, I have a Ross scabbard dated 1941 that probably went with one.

Here's a govt carbine: https://joesalter.ca/products/ross-1910-modified-wwii-guard-gun

I have also seen some CN rail police mk 3s that had 24" barrels short handguards and rubber recoil pads.
 
The butt on that carbine appears to be scrubbed. I would be very skeptical of any Ross with a scrubbed butt. One has to ask - why would the military, or other government service, scrub the model and serial number off the rifle?
 
Well stated B-noser. There was only one short Ross rifle made in the 1910 action and that was as Cantom stated is a Military Match .280 which
were only made in 1913 for trials that never happened. It was Ross's idea of a perfect rifle but the caliber was shot down by the Standing Small Arms Committee and the short length was rejected by Sam Hughes. Anything else is a modification of a full length service rifle and not
a Ross Rifle Co. manufactured item. There was a 'carbine' of 1903 Pattern Ross made for the RNWMP in 1904 of which there is a nice U-Tube video out on FW right now. JOHN
 
You can be quite sure that the Salter gun was not one of the Guard Guns that were cut back buy the Canadian Gov`t.

These guns would not have the British proof markings.
 
As others have stated, no Mk III carbine was ever produced at the factory, although some were issued...probably....but not to the military. The M10 .280 Military Match did not have the committee designed magazine found on the Mk III--it had an enclosed box magazine in the stock, similar to the M1907 Deer Stalker sporter. The RNWMP carbine is of course a 1903 so totally different. I have both and can post photos. There were Mk III rifles cut down for use by possibly the Rangers or guards, but they look like a slightly better done Bubba rifle, with 24" barrel, no front band, stock cut back to in front of the rear band. Usually no stock marks but do have a nice crown job (as opposed to the usual straight(ish) Bubba bob) and a standard front sight with hood, standard rearsight, not drilled for scope, etc. Kind of a handy-ish sporterized Mk III. I've owned more than one over the years. Without photos, I would say that is likely what you have. So, didn't leave the factory that way, but was sort of issued, although some dispute that and think they were just pretty professional cut down jobs done by the Trade in Britain after the Rosses were released for public sale.

Ed
 
If the rifle has Brit. proofs, the rework was likely done there.
Presence of RN (PH, PLY, etc.) marks just about guarantees it.
 
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