Round Nose vs. Partition
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No experience with the 35 Whelen. I stock RN (Hornady Interlock and R-P) in 160 gr. for 6.5 mm, 175 gr in 7 mm and 174 gr in .312" - all for 1890's to 1900's era designed cartridges, because closest that I can find to the original shape. For hunting, I use Partition 150 gr. in 7x57, 225 Accubond in 338 Win Mag and 250 Accubond in 9.3x62. The story goes that Partition was designed after failure of conventional (cup & core) bullets on mud caked moose from 300 H&H - "pancaked" bullets - no penetration. Took many, many deer and one cow elk with Speer HotCor 165 gr. in 308 Win - basically a C & C bullet - very common to have the expanded bullet under the hide on the far side. Mostly, I have had to hit animal "the long way" to recover a Partition - usually goes right on through with side-to-side shot - usually leaving "lung soup" behind. With impact speeds say, 2,600 fps and less, not a lot of difference; with higher impact speeds, never a mistake to pick Partitions.
For the 35 Whelen you are looking at the 200gr RN? If you are they what you are looking to use is a bullet designed for the 35 Remington, which has a velocity of around 2100fps at the muzzle. If you run this bullet up at the 35 Whelen velocities if will blow to pieces, 2700-2800fps with that bullet is well over what it is designed for.
The RN bullet in general though is designed to open up quicker as it has a larger contact area (meplat), a spire point bullet in general will not open up as quickly as a RN or FN bullet.
The partition is a bullet that has 2 lead cores with a copper portion in the middle, they come in spire point and round nose, they are designed to open up quickly on game but not peel back, the copper middle section helps hold it together and plow through.
Nonsense, a RN full metal jacket will penetrate, a soft nose RN bullet run beyond its designed speed will blow up.
Nonesense? Did you read anything I said? A heavy round nose bullet, especially in .358 is built to design the modest velocities that a .35 Whelen generates. Have you never used one? Try a 220 grain round nose Hornady in a .30-06 and see what happens. Of course FMJ's penetrate, but who in the heck is talking about FMJ's here? A 200 grain RN is not a good idea, but I said HEAVY - like 250 grains like the .35 Whelen was intended to shoot. That bullet at 2500-2700 fps will penetrate well and mushroom well and will be good for anything that walks in North America.
The problem is that the 220gr .308 bullet has a very high sectional density and is designed for the 30-06 and 30-40 krag, it is designed to run at 2000-2400fps, it will punch through anything.
The 200gr .358 bullet is a bullet specifically designed for the 35 Remington, it is designed to open up at lower velocity, around 1900fps. That same bullet being driven at 2800fps is well over the design of that bullet.
If you are talking about a Woodleigh 225gr RN bullet then fine, but a standard cup and core 200gr Hornady RN .358 bullet will be driven too fast at 2800fps as would be the case by a 35 Whelen.
To bring the 30-06 into context, run a 150gr RN designed for a 30-30 3000fps, how do you expect it will hold up? It is designed to be operated at 2500fps and below.
The .358 RN bullet is a light bullet unless you go out and get specialty bullets, a standard RN bullet in .358 is a 200gr bullet is a light bullet in that caliber.
You cannot compare the penetration of the .308 220gr bullet to the 200gr .258 RN. If you run that 220gr .308 bullet in a 300 Weatherby mag it is probably going to blow apart.
I have decades of experience reloading, shooting, and hunting with the 35 Whelen. Fox is correct, 200gr bullets designed for the 35 Rem are to be avoided. However, the 200gr Hornady Interlock RN performs very well at 35 Whelen velocities. The are also easily obtained. I've never shot a bear with one, but I would expect great performance.
I've had the best success with the 225gr partition. It is an excellent moose round and performs well on deer. Unfortunately Nosler bullets are becoming a little pricey.
I've had the best success with the 225gr partition. It is an excellent moose round and performs well on deer. Unfortunately Nosler bullets are becoming a little pricey.
What part number are you looking at for the 200gr RN that is good for the Whelen? They only have 1 RN .358 bullet, my assumption was that this would be setup for the 35 Rem, just like any 150gr .308 RN or FP bullet would be for the 30-30.
The problem with the 35 cal bullets is that the cartridges are not all slow, medium or high velocity, they are all over the map.
I want a 35 Whelen, load it down with pistol bullets, run 35 Rem velocities for deer at close range and be able to load up long heavy bullets for longer range and heavier game.
Nosler bullets are very expensive
What part number are you looking at for the 200gr RN that is good for the Whelen? They only have 1 RN .358 bullet, my assumption was that this would be setup for the 35 Rem, just like any 150gr .308 RN or FP bullet would be for the 30-30.
The problem with the 35 cal bullets is that the cartridges are not all slow, medium or high velocity, they are all over the map.
I want a 35 Whelen, load it down with pistol bullets, run 35 Rem velocities for deer at close range and be able to load up long heavy bullets for longer range and heavier game.
Nosler bullets are very expensive
The regular Hornady 200gr RN Interlock. P/N 3515. You can shoot these to 2700fps for deer size game without a problem.
The SP-RP version is likely an even better choice P/N: 3510 although I've never tried them.
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Then how the heck would they still mushroom to any real degree at 1400fps, which would be 200 yards from a 35 Remington.
Sorry I can't comment on that. The only thing I've ever shot with the 35 Remington is paper and I haven't done much of that. I did just buy a Remington 760 in 35 Rem which I intend to hunt this year although I'll most like just shoot factory 200gr core-lokts in it.
Hornady rates the 200gr RN as suitable for elk. If it was designed for for the 35rem, I find that interesting. 35 Rem would not be a good elk rifle in my opinion. It would be pretty limiting.
Hornady rates the 200gr RN as suitable for elk. If it was designed for for the 35rem, I find that interesting. 35 Rem would not be a good elk rifle in my opinion. It would be pretty limiting.
