Ruger #1 in Grizz country? (Not a defence thread!)

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I'm thinking about a Ruger #1 in .300 or .338 for moose, but it's likely going to be in Grizz country.

Is this madness, or what? Too much gun for moose, not enough for Grizz?

Maybe I should bring GH with me? ;)

What are your thoughts on the #1?
 
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The .338 is good for both moose and griz with good bullets. The single shot would be ok for moose, but not my choice for griz defence. I knew a guide once that carried a Ruger #1 in 45-70 in the Stikine IIRC. He told me once he had to shoot a griz that came after him and his horse. Better be lucky with the first shot, sometimes that's all guy gets anyway. Good to have a partner with you.
 
DOn't worry about it.

If you want a RUger #1, just get one.

Shoot your mosse and don't worry about the grizzlies...I knwo a guy that has killed 2 grizzlies with a Ruger #1 in 300 Winchester, anyway.:)
 
Gatehouse said:
DOn't worry about it.

If you want a RUger #1, just get one.

Shoot your mosse and don't worry about the grizzlies...I knwo a guy that has killed 2 grizzlies with a Ruger #1 in 300 Winchester, anyway.:)


OK, but if anything bad happens to me, I'm going to haunt you forever!
 
I've got one in .338 and have played with it loading the second round. It's not that bad with practice, I'd have to think if I was being charged by a grizz the brown stuff would be falling down my leg no matter what I was packing. Like was said, "make the first one count".
 
I say get a ruger if that is your fancy but choose where you carry it. You might want to see the internals of a ruger single shot it might cure you of wanting it. Maybe it is just me but I really can't understand why they could'nt make a single shot with a few less friggy little parts.
 
I've never been charged by a Grizz, but from what I've read you'll be lucky to get one clean shot off. I also understand that a number one can be reloaded quite fast if your practiced at it.
 
I hunt with a guy who used a Ruger #1 for years for big elk in grizz country.

To make a very long sory short, he will never use a single shot rifle in grizz country again, ever. All it takes is one lucky experiance and you will never do it again, but most of the time you dont get the chance to make that decision.

If you choose a single shot rifle for grizz country, I wish you the best of luck :D
 
popcan said:
I sense an undertone in some of the replies that imply a #1 is not a good choice ..... Not because of grizzly, but for some other reasons.


Spit it out! Let's hear it!
I've owned a scad of No.1's and b78/1885'S.
They are very reliable and good firearms.
Buy one, enjoy it , and don't worry none!
Cat
 
david doyle said:
Maybe it is just me but I really can't understand why they could'nt make a single shot with a few less friggy little parts.
It's not just you. I shot a #1A for many years and the first time I had it apart I was faced with the dreaded propect of having to return it to the store to have it put back together.:redface: I've never dealt with so fiddly a rifle to diassemble. Eventually it became easier but the first couple of times were a challenge.

I never used mine in grizzly country and won't comment on bear defense. My #1A was very fast to the shoulder in tight shooting situations and handled a lot like a sxs shotgun. With practice I could reload pretty quickly and could get follow-up shots off quite promply. Almost as good as a bolt action.

One problem I encountered with the #1 was eye relief. I needed a long relief scope or extension rings because of the forward mounted bases. Although if I wanted a short brush rifle the idea of a #1 in .45-70 with a intermediate eye-relief Burris Scout scope has some appeal.
 
The Ruger #1 is a fine hunting rifle - IMHO one of the best. The #1 does have a couple of design problems - at least I considered them problems which I think need to be addressed before taking the rifle too far afield.

I carried a #1 in .416 Rigby hundreds of miles when working as a bear monitor for tourist groups, for survey crews, and for my own protection. As much as I loved the rifle I would never use a #1 for that purpose again. Much could be made of the fact that is was a single shot, but I never considered that to be an issue because with two rounds between the fingers of my weak hand I was able to reload almost as quickly as I could a bolt gun.

The first and most easily corrected issue was the bedding. The butt stock split on the first shooting session due to uneven bedding, so off it went and 3 weeks later it returned - actually the wrong rifle returned (Wholesale Sports) - but a couple more weeks and mine was safe and sound back home. The stock was replaced but the uneven bedding was not cured, this stock also split, so no warranty this time, I just sent it to a gunsmith that knew what he was doing.

The factory rear sight is poor being of the flip up Williams persuasion inletted into the quarter rib. With this sight at the bottom of it's adjustment the rifle shot 6" high at 100 yards - the front sight was too low. Since I detested the flip up rear sight I concentrated on scoping the rifle - and I had envisioned an express sight replacing the flip up. As you know the factory quarter rib is inletted for scope rings, but with my Leupold 1.5-5X so mounted I was very much afraid of getting hit by the scope which extended well behind the falling block. Another issue with the scope this far back is that it obscures the loading port and ramp, and ejected cases would hit it. I sent it off for a second visit to the gunsmith for a custom quarter rib. This new rib inletted for Talley QD rings had the scope's ocular in line with the front edge of the falling block. So positioned, there was no way I could be hit by the scope, regardless of position or inclination. Neither did the scope now interfere with the loading and unloading of the rifle. Due to it's forward position, it did limit the use to the lower powers - up to 3X actually - but I normally just left it at 1.5X and I did some good shooting with that setting right out to 300 yards on realistically sized targets - 12"X12". The express sight never happened because I wanted the scope as low as possible, so there was not enough clearance for an express sight and the scope. At the time there was no ghost ring available, but if faced with the delima now, a detachable ghost ring and post front sight would be my choice.

There was a problem with the safety which I was unable to resolve. More times than not, I would check the rifle after a few miles of hiking to find the safety in the off position! The #1, of coarse has no magazine so the rifle must be carried loaded with the safety on - if you are going to be able to use it quickly. When hunting, if the rifle was carried unloaded that wouldn't prove to be much of a handicap, but for a protection rifle this is not acceptable.

I often carried the rifle slung muzzle down and left across my back, and I would not allow anyone to walk on my left side for that reason. Nor was I ever tempted to sling the rifle conventionally so the muzzle was behind my ear. I never had an accidental discharge, but I was acutely aware that the potential was always present. I tried carrying the rifle with the action out of battery but gave that up quickly after decorating several miles of tundra with $5.00 rounds.

The next step would of been the gunsmith route. However the safety had the normal amount of resistance when moving from safe to fire, and I was very hesitant to increase the difficulty, given the purpose of the rifle.

The experiment ended when the rifle was lost in a fire, and I have not been tempted to repeat it. However someday a #1 will again decorate my gun rack...it's just a matter of time.
 
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If you have ever seen a griz run you will understand that a magazine rifle offers very little advantage over a single shot. If a bear is close enough to be a threat you will be lucky to get one aimed shot off before it is chewing on your feet anyways.
 
bone-collector said:
I hope you get beaten by a rabid woodpecker for starting another stoopid thread about evil bears and there sidekicks the phsyco squirrell :rolleyes: :D
Hey! this is a thread about #1s..... if you recall, I said:

I sense an undertone in some of the replies that imply a #1 is not a good choice ..... Not because of grizzly, but for some other reasons.
Spit it out! Let's hear it!
So quit uttering nasty curses, or I'll start a thread about FORDS and their owners! :p


BUM said:
Relax popcan you darned city boy...you won't get 'et. Buy the #1, you'll love it.
To be perfectly honest, I have never seen a grizzly in the wild. I have encountered black bears by the bushell over the years as a hiker, climber, and hunter, but we have no Grizz in the south cariboo. This all started because I might accompany a buddy (ret. Van Leo) up to the George for a moose this fall, and we were discussing different guns and calibers for moose. (He lost a quarter of his moose last year to a grizzly in the night).

The #1 is a really interesting gun, because as you can see here, you either love it, or you don't!
 
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catnthehatt said:
I've owned a scad of No.1's and b78/1885'S.
They are very reliable and good firearms.
Buy one, enjoy it , and don't worry none!
Cat


Yes, but Cat, although your most recent #1 can threads needles at 1000 yds.....

I somehow doubt you're humping that one into the deep rhubarb with you!

;)
 
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