Ruger 10/22 - Butler Creek fail to feed/ how to fix

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So i recently got my first rifle and made a thread on it. Here is a link to my current build. http://http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1082195-My-First-Rifle-Build-Ruger-10-22 However after changing my stock to the archangel stock, my butler creek steel lips 25 round mags fail to feed every single time regardless of ammo used.

The mags fit extremely tight in the stock, therefor I had to sand down the inside of the stock just to get them to fit. Even now I can only remove the stock 10 round mag with a pair of pliers. At first I thought the stock was causing problems because I have never had problems feeding this rifle, however the stock 10 round ruger mag works flawlessly with any ammo I have fed it.

Utilizing the search function on this site, I have found I am not alone in having FTF issues with BC steel lips mags. In an attempt to fix my feeding issues, I filed down the sharp corners of steel lips mags in order to make them more like the stock 10 round ruger mag. This fixed my problem slightly as they now feed flawlessly with around 15 rounds in the mag but still FTF for the first 10 rounds. I then marked the lips on both of my butler creek mags and my ruger 10 round mag with a black sharpie in order to see where the bolt could be rubbing on the mag but all 3 mags (including 10 round ruger mag) had similar marking patterns. I took some pictures of the two butler creek mags.




At this point I am lost for solutions as they fed flawlessly before the stock change but now FTF the first 10 rounds. Should i just keep filing the lips down in the places the bolt rubs? Is the stock too tight and need to be filed down more? Any solutions or input would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
When I fire the rifle, the bolt doesn't pick up a new round. It perfectly ejects the spent cartridge, then when I pull the trigger the rifle basically dry fires because the bolt isn't picking up and chambering a new cartridge. So technically it isn't "jamming" it just isn't picking up a new round.
 
the rear of the cartridge doesn't appear to be high enough up to engage the bolt maybe? does it work with other mags? if its JUST this mag, the modify the rear wall of the mag to be lower, or the rear of the feed lips to allow the cartridge rim to protrude higher up. Does the follower go all the way up if the mag is empty or does it have a bit of slop in it? IE the spring not pushing it freely up with some force. Can the round be easily and smoothly stripped off by hand?

If it doesn't work with other mags either, then I suggest its something causing the mags to not go high enough up in the receiver, or the bolt not to grab the round on the way by.
 
It works flawlessly with the ruger 10 round mag. I just took the receiver apart and gave it all a good cleaning. The butler creek mags now cycle flawlessly for the last 17-18 rounds and fire as fast as I can pull the trigger. But when 25 rounds are loaded into the magazine, the first 7 or 8 rounds all still fail to feed. This leads me to believe it is the mags that are causing me the problems and not the rifle or ammo used. I understand what you mean JR, I think the spring just isn't strong enough to feed effectively when the magazine is right full. Most people say the BC magazines need to be broken but my mags have seen 200ish rounds through them and fed flawlessly if I only put 23 or less rounds in the mag before I changed the stock.
 
Are you using Remington yellow jackets? federal hp? I'm just curious...

It is obviously a magazine issue, so try this with your BC mag:

1, Dump them in hot soap and water. Let it soak. Blow dry them and spray them down with oil to keep that spring from rusting. That spring rusts so easy though, it's no guarantee that this method won't just make matters worse.

2. Do NOT use a solvent like Hoppes No. 9. This will apparently melt the magazine.

3. A can of compressed air like you would use to clean out your keyboard or small electrical parts will do some minor cleaning if you have small particles keeping parts from moving.

Hope this helps.
 
only used remington golden bullets, federal hp, and winchester 555 bulk pack (kinda forget that one, grandma uses it in her old cooey). basically not the best ammo in the world but they work for my purposes at the moment. Is their any way I can get the mags apart without permanent damage to them? I dont think the mags are too dirty as I take extremely good care of them. Im tentative to try putting them in water at the moment as they are fairly new still but I will try blowing them out. Thanks for the suggestions.
 
I've had it were the magazine follower was dragging and the bolt was missing the round because it wasn't rising fast enough , same mags as well, especially when new and cold out , here's what I did , buy some dry graphite lube from c&t , apply then load and unload your mags 5-6 times . I'm not sure this is the problem you've described but it's one more thing to cross off the maybe it could be list . Good luck !
 
Yeah sounds like the spring is not pushing a round up fast enough for the bolt to catch the next round. Which would explain why when you load it to 25 it isn't feeding but with 15 it has enough force to feed properly. Try lubing with the dry graphite lube like someone said. Sometimes things can be tight when the mags are new.
 
I had the same problem. Got a refund on the Butler Creek mags and got HC3R mags instead. Follow their procedure on youtube which makes sure the rounds are all properly in the mag (Basically just holding the spring, turn the mag upside down and shake it and then release the spring) and I have not had a single FTF problem with them. It was such a pain with the Butler Creek mags.
 
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