Ruger 10/22 minimum barrel length

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Hello All

I would like to build a short ruger 10/22. I have found information that states that semi automatic rifles firing center fire ammunition must have a barrel length of 18.5" or greater and have an overall length of 26" or greater. What I can't find is if this applies to rimfire rifles as well. I have searched several forums and I have found some people claiming that as long as you keep the overall length at 26" or greater is will still be non restricted. I have also found people saying that you can only have a barrel under 18.5" if the gun came like that from the factory. I have found gun barrels being sold from 12" to 18.5" in Canada for the ruger 10/22.

If anyone know the laws around this could you please enlighten me. It would be a bonus if you had a reliable source for the information as well.

****EDIT**** I do not plan on cutting the barrel. I plan on buying a hogue stock and would like to find a barrel that just barely sticks out past the end of the stock
 
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You cannot modify/cut a factory 1022 barrel to less then 18.5"

You may purchase a manufactured barrel from someone like Dlask as short as 8" and install it on your 1022 receiver.

This is when the greater then 26" overall rule becomes important.

With a factory Ruger carbine stock and a 8" barrel you will be around 27.5" overall.

Personally 12.5" is the shortest barrel I prefer due balance and loudness.

Good luck with your project.

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chezboy said:
Hello All
I would like to build a short ruger 10/22. I have found information that states that semi automatic rifles firing center fire ammunition must have a barrel length of 18.5" or greater and have an overall length of 26" or greater. What I can't find is if this applies to rimfire rifles as well. I have searched several forums and I have found some people claiming that as long as you keep the overall length at 26" or greater is will still be non restricted. I have also found people saying that you can only have a barrel under 18.5" if the gun came like that from the factory. I have found gun barrels being sold from 12" to 18.5" in Canada for the ruger 10/22.
If anyone know the laws around this could you please enlighten me. It would be a bonus if you had a reliable source for the information as well.
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Criminal Code of Canada Sec. 84(1):

prohibited firearm means
(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length
 
26” minimum length applies for rim fire also. Barrel length minimum does not apply.

You cannot cut a barrel down super short though. Dlask sells as short as 8” barrels for the 10/22 which still meet the legal length requirement depending on stock choice.
 
05RAV said:
Criminal Code of Canada Sec. 84(1):

prohibited firearm means
(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length
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(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length
this is the confusing part. Some people say that only applies to centerfire and not rimfire rifles but I can't find that stated anywhere
 
chezboy said:
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length
this is the confusing part. Some people say that only applies to centerfire and not rimfire rifles but I can't find that stated anywhere
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It's not confusing at all. It clearly states: A FIREARM without referring to whether it is centerfire or not.

You should also keep this in mind:

restricted firearm means
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(b) a firearm that
(i) is not a prohibited firearm,
(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or

The (iii) is specifically for a centerfire firearm.
 
chezboy said:
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length
this is the confusing part. Some people say that only applies to centerfire and not rimfire rifles but I can't find that stated anywhere
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There is no mention of centerfire or rimfire because it applies to firearms. Regardless of centerfire or rimfire.
Centerfire or rimfire makes a difference when semi autos are concerned. CF must be over 18 1/2" to have a chance of being non-restricted.
 
05RAV said:
It's not confusing at all. It clearly states: A FIREARM without referring to whether it is centerfire or not.

You should also keep this in mind:

restricted firearm means
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(b) a firearm that
(i) is not a prohibited firearm,
(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and
(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or

The (iii) is specifically for a centerfire firearm.
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Yet still confusing because i can walk in to cabelas and buy a ruger 10/22 with a barrel under 470mm as a non restricted rifle.

https://www.cabelas.ca/product/97364/ruger-1022-takedown-lite-22-lr-semiautomatic-rimfire-rifle
 
chezboy said:
Yet still confusing because i can walk in to cabelas and buy a ruger 10/22 with a barrel under 470mm as a unrestricted rifle.

https://www.cabelas.ca/product/97364/ruger-1022-takedown-lite-22-lr-semiautomatic-rimfire-rifle
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How is it confusing?
There are different minimum barrels lengths for centerfire and rimfire semi autos for non-restricted status.
Overall length minimum is the same for centerfire or rimfire. Note that minimum legal overall length applies with folding or collapsible stocks in the shortest configuration.
 
tiriaq said:
How is it confusing?
There are different minimum barrels lengths for centerfire and rimfire semi autos for non-restricted status.
Overall length minimum is the same for centerfire or rimfire. Note that minimum legal overall length applies with folding or collapsible stocks in the shortest configuration.
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Ok I think i’m miss reading the quotes on the law. So those minimum barrel lengths only apply when i’m sawing the barrel which i do not plan on doing. I don’t plan on altering a barrel i plan on buying a new 8 or 12” barrel. So in that case as long as I keep the overall length above 26” my rifle will remain a non restricted firearm
 
chezboy said:
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Ok I think i’m miss reading the quotes on the law. So those minimum barrel lengths only apply when i’m sawing the barrel which i do not plan on doing. I don’t plan on altering a barrel i plan on buying a new 8 or 12” barrel. So in that case as long as I keep the overall length above 26” my rifle will remain a non restricted firearm
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Yes, your 10/22 is non-restricted, even after you have installed the short replacement barrel as long as the overall length stays over 26". If you get a folding or collapsible stock, make sure the thing is over 26" when collapsed or folded.

Of course, who knows what Billy Blair has planned for us?
 
05RAV said:
Criminal Code of Canada Sec. 84(1):

prohibited firearm means
(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length
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Just to be clear you aren't saying that swapping a long barreled ruger 10/22 to a SBR 10/22 is prohibited.

Otherwise what you are quoting is that all AR-15's that you swap the factory barrel with a barrel that is less than 18" (like the surplus diemaco C8 uppers) are now prohibited. I mean you you are "altering" your long barreled AR-15 into a prohibited baby killer by swapping a factory part for another factory part.
 
chillyrabbit said:
Just to be clear you aren't saying that swapping a long barreled ruger 10/22 to a SBR 10/22 is prohibited.
Otherwise what you are quoting is that all AR-15's that you swap the factory barrel with a barrel that is less than 18" (like the surplus diemaco C8 uppers) are now prohibited. I mean you you are "altering" your long barreled AR-15 into a prohibited baby killer by swapping a factory part for another factory part.
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Read more carefully. Regarding Ruger which is a SEMIAUTOMATIC RIMFIRE firearm: whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration. If you CUT (saw) the original Ruger 10/22 barrel it cannot be shorter than 457 mm with the TOTAL length at least 660 mm. If you buy a NEW original barrel of whatever length and mount it on the 10/22 platform the only requirement is that the TOTAL length must be at least 660 mm.

Regarding a SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE AR-15: if its barrel is shorter than 470 mm or it's folded to less than 660 mm, then that AR-15 is a RESTRICTED firearm. Some AR-15's are restricted because their barrels are 406 mm in length (16"). Other AR-15's are restricted/prohibited because they were made that way by the Order in Council (OIC) regardless of their dimensions. By the way, according to the Firearms Act ANY firearm can be made restricted/prohibited by the Order in Council regardless of its dimensions. Then there is NOTHING one can do about that.
 
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Juster said:
Technically, an AR-15 lower is a restricted firearm only due to being an M16 variant.
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No. The AR15 is a Restricted firearm because it was PROSCRIBED as a restricted firearm.

The AR15 preceded the M16, and therefore can not be a variant of something that came after it...

Pisses me off the AR15 and AR10 are Restricted. If they weren't, I'd have one for varmint sized game & one for big game, done!

The only purpose of firearms classifications, Non-Restricted, Restricted, Prohibited, was to get the Restricted & Prohibited on the books for eventual confiscation...

Cheers
Jay
 
05RAV said:
Read more carefully. Regarding Ruger which is a SEMIAUTOMATIC RIMFIRE firearm: whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration. If you CUT (saw) the original Ruger 10/22 barrel it cannot be shorter than 457 mm with the TOTAL length at least 660 mm. If you buy a NEW original barrel of whatever length and mount it on the 10/22 platform the only requirement is that the TOTAL length must be at least 660 mm.

Regarding a SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE AR-15: if its barrel is shorter than 470 mm or it's folded to less than 660 mm, then that AR-15 is a RESTRICTED firearm. Some AR-15's are restricted because their barrels are 406 mm in length (16"). Other AR-15's are restricted/prohibited because they were made that way by the Order in Council (OIC) regardless of their dimensions. By the way, according to the Firearms Act ANY firearm can be made restricted/prohibited by the Order in Council regardless of its dimensions. Then there is NOTHING one can do about that.
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Sorry for the response, I just wanted it to be more clearly stated as I've had people argue with me that swapping a factory part with a factory part creates a prohibited firearm.
 
a Dlask 8" barrel on a TacSol stock was 26.5" I ended up putting on a linear comp to keep the muzzle blast off of the front of the stock.

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Jay said:
No. The AR15 is a Restricted firearm because it was PROSCRIBED as a restricted firearm.
The AR15 preceded the M16, and therefore can not be a variant of something that came after it...
Pisses me off the AR15 and AR10 are Restricted. If they weren't, I'd have one for varmint sized game & one for big game, done!
The only purpose of firearms classifications, Non-Restricted, Restricted, Prohibited, was to get the Restricted & Prohibited on the books for eventual confiscation...
Cheers
Jay
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Exactly right. As I said earlier: By the way, according to the Firearms Act ANY firearm can be made restricted/prohibited by the Order in Council regardless of its dimensions. Then there is NOTHING one can do about that!. That idiotic Order in Council should be removed from our Parliamentary system. This is a relict from the old British Royal system. Has no place in a modern Parliamentary system.
 
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