Ruger 25 round magazines?

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I know awhile ago the whole ruger 10/22 mag issue was on the go and there were issues with the Buttler creek (and others I believe) 25 round mags being no longer legal in Canada due to the new pistol being available (or something along those lines).

I haven't been following this for quite some time and am looking at perhaps getting a new 10/22, but obviously I would like to have more than 10 round mags to use.

Has this been resolved and are there any high capacity mags on the market now that are legal and available? New styles, etc.? Sorry if this has been discussed recently but I just don't know where this sits now.
 
The Ruger Charger pistol which has been around for several years now is basically built around the 10/22 receiver, The problem with the Ruger high capacity magazines is that they were packaged as being compatible with the 10/22 rifle or the Charger pistol, as silly as it sounds therein lies the issue, a high capacity magazine for a pistol.

heiko said:
I know awhile ago the whole ruger 10/22 mag issue was on the go and there were issues with the Buttler creek (and others I believe) 25 round mags being no longer legal in Canada due to the new pistol being available (or something along those lines).

I haven't been following this for quite some time and am looking at perhaps getting a new 10/22, but obviously I would like to have more than 10 round mags to use.

Has this been resolved and are there any high capacity mags on the market now that are legal and available? New styles, etc.? Sorry if this has been discussed recently but I just don't know where this sits now.
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Higher capacity mags for the TUF22 won't fit in an unmodified Ruger receiver, standard Ruger mags will fit in a TUF22. The TUF22 mags have a spine on them that stops them from going into an unmodified Ruger receiver. The spine also reduces the wobble that was common in 10/22's with the BC mags. Dlask has said that they'll release the specs for the receiver cut publicly and freely permit their use so that gunsmiths and machinists can modify existing 10/22 rifles to take the TUF22 mags - naturally, permission will not be granted for use of the spec on Charger receivers.
 
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HGBMTL said:
The problem with the Ruger high capacity magazines is that they were packaged as being compatible with the 10/22 rifle or the Charger pistol,
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None of the BX-25 Mags that Bass Pro was carrying a few years back even mentioned the Charger on the packaging. Regardless, they were fully compatible. Even that GSG-100 round mag that they went out of their way to say was designed for 10é22 went on the RCMP hit list
 
Grrrrrr this whole thing pisses me off. Chargers are restricted. If you have a Charger registered in your name, you can't own magazines over 10 rounds. No Charger in your name...have fun.
 
enefgee said:
Higher capacity mags for the TUF22 won't fit in an unmodified Ruger receiver, standard Ruger mags will fit in a TUF22. The TUF22 mags have a spine on them that stops them from going into an unmodified Ruger receiver. .
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What's to stop anyone from doing this to existing BX-25 etc mags? Seems like a tab on the mag and a notch in the mag well and presto, the mag cannot fit into a Charger (or any other 10/22)
 
gcdavidson said:
What's to stop anyone from doing this to existing BX-25 etc mags? Seems like a tab on the mag and a notch in the mag well and presto, the mag cannot fit into a Charger (or any other 10/22)
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The same reason you cannot engrave "Pistol Magazine" on a STANAG and pin to 10


Need to be produced or original form for them to be legal
 
Well that magazine rule applies to commonly available pistols, there's less then 500 chargers in Canada, compare that to the number of gsgs in the likely thousands. Hardly a fair common comparison but pretty sure buffalo cabs still considers if only there was only one in the entire country unfireable Dewat charger pistol they would consider it commonly available
 
Given the number of 10/22 in country and the fact that 25 round Butlter Creek mags have been around for 30 years, the Charger pistol never should have been approved by the rcmp. It was either done intentionally to through another wrench into to works, or the rcmp gun lab is incompetent
 
PGW Steve said:
Grrrrrr this whole thing pisses me off. Chargers are restricted. If you have a Charger registered in your name, you can't own magazines over 10 rounds. No Charger in your name...have fun.
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And no Lar 10 round mags unless you own a LAR pistil?

Or no Glock 10 round mags for your PCC unless you also own a Glock?

Don't make up laws which sacrifice fellow gun owner's rights to maintain your wants.
 
Disclaimer: This is an explanation, not an opinion. I'm merely outlining how the regulations work (at time of writing); please do not misinterpret this as advocating or defending whether they work, the way they work, and/or the logic or lack thereof. Also, I am not a lawyer :p

May as well include these first three points, much as they're common knowledge:

- Because there is an exemption for .22 rimfire semi-auto rifle magazines, these are not limited to five rounds.
- .22 rimfire pistol magazines are limited to ten rounds.
- Since Ruger 10/22 magazines fit both the 10/22 rifle and the Ruger Charger pistol, the capacity limit for handguns (10 rounds) applies.

Here's the part about modifying cartridge magazines:

- 'designed or manufactured for...' means that:

i) 'designed': the cartridge magazine's design must be distinct, in that even if you are manufacturing brand new 30-round STANAG (AR-15) magazines, you can't simply block them to ten rounds and stanp 'pistol' on them.
ii) 'manufactured': the subsequent altering/modifying of an existing cartridge magazine in question will not change which capacity limit applies to that magazine. You can buy a LAR-15 10-round pistol magazine designed and manufactured for the pistol, but you cannot "pin a 20- or 30-round AR-15 magazine to ten rounds", whether or not its intended use is only in a LAR-15 pistol, because the cartridge magazine was 'designed and manufactured for the AR-15 rifle'.

- Further to the above, designing and newly manufacturing (from scratch) a magazine based on but sufficiently different from a pre-existing design is fine, conditional on certain other things (for example, manufacturing a carbon copy of a 30-round STANAG magazine whose follower just so happens to stop at ten rounds, then stamping it 'LAR-15 pistol' probably won't cut the mustard, either).

Source: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
 
Follow the wise words of my patch and we can make this madness stop:

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randyhub said:
Has anyone been charged with these magazines
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Yes, a couple people at least


randyhub said:
has a Judge ruled with our so very competent RCMP clan?
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No, they (the crown) have always dropped the charges on a plea bargain for some other charge(s) so it has not been tested in court.

AFAIK there exists somewhere (I have asked around here but no one can find it any more) a note to the horsemen NOT to charge anyone with these mags as a single charge, but if they show up as part of other charges then add it to the list.

They don't want a judge to say BS and have a precedent set that their 'interpretation' is not the actually 'the law'.....
 
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