Ruger BX-25 Mags

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A while ago, I bought a few of the new Ruger bx-25's from Cabelas (in the US) and imported them into Canada (declared them at the border, paid taxes, even showed them to the CBSA dude at the counter, etc).

Recently someone says "ooooh!! ...those are prohibited in Canada!!"

So, being the semi-rational, semi-educated type, rather than send them into the fireplace, I tried to figure out if, in fact, they are a "prohibited device".

Well, I found a few weblinks of Canadian gun forum types (funny enough, no search results found on CGN) espousing their expertise on how because of some packaging wording these magazines are "prohibited" in Canada.

Well, sorry, but that don't do it for me.

I've read all of the applicable "official" documents on the web I could find, and still cannot see it in black and white that these mags are considered "prohibited".

If anyone can provide me with some relatively concrete info (ie: link to RCMP or Canada gov website) on this, I'd be grateful... :redface:
 
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Yes, RCMP ruled that these are prohibited devices because Ruger marketed them for the charger pistol.

Go ahead and call P&D or anyone and ask why they can't import them.
 
Just to clarify, the law states that you can have no more than a ten round magazine for a hand gun. The ruger Bx 25 holds 25 rounds and they advertise it for their handguns, which is why they are prohibited in canada. I bought the butler creek 25 round. (fits the same gun but not advertised for hand guns).
 
Stupid RCMP is going to have some poor schmuck end up in jail due to their idiotic decision making and hair splitting.

My advice: take the mags out to your driveway, put them behind the wheel of your car. Start the car, put it in reverse.
 
Paul Morrison said:
Stupid RCMP is going to have some poor schmuck end up in jail due to their idiotic decision making and hair splitting.

My advice: take the mags out to your driveway, put them behind the wheel of your car. Start the car, put it in reverse.
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are you sugesting butler creek and tac inc 25 rounders are illegal? I hope not because there NOT ;)
 
He wasn't saying that...just the stupidity of the Ruger BX-25 being deemed prohib because they marketed it to fit in a 10/22 pistol (when obviously it is no different than the Butler Creek's or Tac In).
 
So you broke US export laws bringing the mags over the border, and now you are breaking Canadian laws being in possession of prohibited devices, and you post all of this on a public forum! f:P:

The BX25 mags are prohibited because they are marketed for both the 10/22 and charger.

As soon as they announced they were for the charger they became pistol mags, that just so happen to fit in a 22 rifle. Because they are pistol mags they are limited to 10 rounds.

Its silly but according to the law it makes sense. It is the same interpretation that allows for 10 round AR pistol mags to be legal, but used against us in this instance.

All because Ruger decided to add the charger into their marketing decisions.

Just hope Butler Creek doesn't do the same.
 
CBSA allowing import and then RCMP turning around saying it's all a big mistake you have a prohib device.

That would never happen!
 
thanks for the replies, but I do have a few thoughts:

1) export from the US... this Canadian Gov't website - scroll down to Q4 - suggests that my purchase / export was not illegal (less than $100, not a frame, receiver, barrel, bolt, cylinder, slide, etc...)

mlehtovaara, can you provide a .gov or .gc.ca weblink that suggests that was not the case?


2) I'm still coming up blank when looking for something other than "hear-say" suggesting the BX-25 is a "prohibited device"... does anyone have a link or reference to the specific law that mentions it?

Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted is the closest I can find, but "Part 4 - Prohibited Devices"... seems to specifically excludes rimfire firearms in 3(2)(a)(i)...


and

3) posting about trying to find information in a public forum on the legality of something I legally purchased and imported??? It's not as if I have knowingly committed a heinous criminal act and am taunting the powers that be to try and find me behind my IP proxy...

I'm just trying to educate myself on the law... and aren't we all so very lucky that Canadian gun laws make so much logical sense, are very well and clearly written, and so easy to understand. :rolleyes:
 
You are violating US export law, not Canadian law! US export laws heavily regulate the export of firearm parts including magazines. Not sure what BCboy is talking about as I understand almost all firearm parts require some sort of export permit especially mags.

I understand the $100 rule, it makes the exporter exempt from obtaining a permit, but as I understand it one still must be a licensed exporter. Only a licensed exporter can export firearms parts or get an export permit so you violated US export laws when you brought the mags out of the US.

This has been discussed to death and a search of the term export or import might help.

As far as more information on the Ruger BX mags, I can't help you any further. There is a reason nobody in Canada is carrying them, and there has been a few threads here with the official RCMP ruling posted, but again the search function may or may not yield results on the matter.

My advice is give it up, and either pin the mags, or destroy them.
 
I can't provide any link, cause I couldn't find one so I took it upon myself to contact the US State Department a number of weeks ago.

The answer I got was categorical, only licenced exporters can;

a. Export firearm parts, and
b. Benefit from the $100 exemption to an Export Permit

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES can a non-US citizen acquire firearm parts State-side and depart the US with them. Period.

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1) export from the US... this Canadian Gov't website - scroll down to Q4 - suggests that my purchase / export was not illegal (less than $100, not a frame, receiver, barrel, bolt, cylinder, slide, etc...)
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bone-collector said:
oh BS I order parts weekly and have zero problems as long as I stay under the 100 bucks and dont go after there certain list like reveivers, barrels, bolts etc
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The fail is strong in this one.

If you order by phone or internet or even the old postal system, it is the person shipping the items out of the US who is the exporter. You are not the exporter. The US ITAR regulations affect the exporter not the person who imports the parts into Canada.

It is the exporter who has to have their paperwork in order. The manufacturer has to be registered, the exporter has to have a valid export permit and each and every shipment has to have a valid export license.

If the manufacturer is registered, AND the exporter has the permit, AND the item is not a shotgun part (US Dept of Commerce regulates shotguns and parts and there is no $100 limit re the shipment's exporter license), AND the shipment is less than $100.00 US, then the exporter does not need a valid export license for that individual shipment. The other requirements (manufacture registered and the exporter still needs the exporter permit) ARE STILL NEEDED.

You as an individual cannot legally travel to the US, take possession of ANY firearm part, regardless of the price, and then take it with you back into the Canada without all the paperwork. In that case you would be the exporter and you would be very clearly breaking US law.
 
cavegoon said:
"thanks for the replies, but I do have a few thoughts:

2) I'm still coming up blank when looking for something other than "hear-say" suggesting the BX-25 is a "prohibited device"... does anyone have a link or reference to the specific law that mentions it?

Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted is the closest I can find, but "Part 4 - Prohibited Devices"... seems to specifically excludes rimfire firearms in 3(2)(a)(i)..."






your link, under prohibited devices 3-1-b

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine


b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.

your reference to 3(2)(a)(i), only excludes paragraph 3(1)(a), not 3(1)(b).
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Go4snypr said:
3. (1) Any cartridge magazine


b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.

your reference to 3(2)(a)(i), only excludes paragraph 3(1)(a), not 3(1)(b).
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This is the law that covers it.

They are designed for use in the Ruger Charger, and therefore fall under the regulation you quoted.

The Butler creek mags are not designed for the charger, and only markeed for the 10/22 making them rifle mags. It just so happens they also fit in the charger.
 
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