Ruger III 22/45 magazine problem

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Hi All:

About three weeks ago, I purchased a Ruger III 22/45 Hunter, to use: a) in local speed steel shooting events; b) as a cheap way to supplement my practice for IPSC. But the gun has been failing to feed and jamming pretty regularly. I did not dare use it in competition.

I managed to troubleshoot the problem: it turns out that none of the four magazines that I have for it will reliably lock into place. They'll appear to be locked in, but when you tug on them, they come right out. What's been happening is that when I'm firing, they're backing out of the handle, ergo the eventual FTF and the jams.

I took it back to the gun shop where I purchased it, and their gunsmith has declared "the gun is not out of spec" and that the magazines will lock into place "if you press on the rear of the magazine base." By that, he means that all the normal means of insertions (a press of the entire palm, a solid slap in, or even a meticulous pressing up on the middle of the base with your fingers), won't make the magazines click in. You have to press on the rear base edge just right.

So, it's the shop's position that the gun is fine, and that all Ruger III 22/45's need can only have a magazine reliably fed by a specific rear-of-the-base-pushing insertion method. It's my position that this is mind-numbingly pathetic nonsense.

But to be certain, I thought I'd ask: has anyone ever heard of Ruger III 22/45 having such a systemic idiosyncrasy with its magazine feeding?

And for that matter, what's a consumer to do in a case like this? (I'm a newbie.) The shop is saying that if I press this matter, there'll be nothing to be done but to ship the gun off to Ruger, and my expectation is that I won't get it back again for a looooooong time. Personally, I'm of the opinion that a gun that just doesn't work right should be returnable. (And I'm particularly browned off at the shop, because I've been a sterling customer of theirs.)
 
If I understand your post correctly I'm inclined to side with the gunsmith. The pressure applied to the magazine should be at the same angle as the magazine body, not flat against the magazine base.

The backstrap of the 22/45's is extended in comparison to the I,II's and III's. The grip angle replicates the 1911 but the magazine insertion angle is the same as the non-22/45's.

Do the magazines lock in when pushed in at the same angle as the body?
 
I find with mine you need to apply pressure just right to get them to lock in as well. I have done the washer mod to remove the magazine disconect safety and that definitely made it a little better.
 
+whatever on the mags being finicky about seating properly. I think that adding an extra pad to the mag base would make it much easier to get them in, but have not gotten so far as to actually try it myself yet.


Mark
 
Thanks for all the wisdom!

In answer to questions: smacking the magazine in definitely doesn't work. And in terms of whether I've used standard Rugers before -- yes, this summer I was using a club's collection of standard Ruger IIIs and Ruger IIs weekly, and I never had this problem with any of them.

But reading the replies, it seems that there is indeed some more votes to the effect that this really is an issue with the 22/45 model in general, not just with my particular gun. So I took the beast out to the range last night and put 300 more rounds through it, making very certain to insert the magazines with pressure on the rear base. Sure enough, they all locked in, and I didn't have a single FTF or misfeed all night.

So, based on that, on the wisdom from this thread, and on the gunshop's advice, I'm going to assume that the 22/45 magazines just have to be inserted with that specific technique. I'm ironically relieved that I don't have to be annoyed with my favourite local gunshop, but now I'm thinking that I purchased the wrong model rimfire if I want to use it to practice speed reloading for IPSC and additionally use it in the local speed steel shoots. (You just can't reload the magazines fast, when you have to be that careful.)

I figure I'll use it for the next couple of months, when the weather is bad anyway, and when the spring approaches and I want to get really serious about practising and competing, I might sell it and get another type of gun. I'll have the new toy itch about then anyway, and it'll be a better time of the year to resell.

Thanks for the advice everyone! You saved me from making an idiot of myself at the local gunshop.
 
You can't "rack the slide" on a 22/45 mark 3 unless you have modded it. The magazine release button snaps into place and won't fall out by gravity.

To the OP, this may help:
http://www.1bad69.com/ruger/stovepipe.htm
My gun used to jam at least 2 times for every magazine, now, it never jams.

with a properly seated magazine, inserted with the slide closed, you can pull it back and let it go. At least that's how mine works.
 
Yes, that would work. I thought you meant if you put a magazine in with the slide locked back (i.e. reloading after emptying a mag). In that case, you can't pull the slide back to release the bolt/slide like you can on most semi auto pistols.
 
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