Ruger...Remington... or ....Weatherby ** help help help ** lol

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i have a super huge decision to make today.. I originally decided on a Weatherby BackCountry in .300 win mag..... but now there are 3 guns that scream "daddy take me home" :(

- Ruger Hawkeye stainless in Black Laminate .300winmag 8 or 8.5 pounds?

- Weatherby (vangaurd) BackCountry stainless fluted .300winmag 6.75 pounds

- Remington model 700 Mountain LSS in 7mm-08



-The weatherby Backcountry is pillar bedded, has a pretty stock on it, an overall attractive firearm. $1054

-The Ruger Hawkeye feels ###y in the hands, very attractice piece of lumber on it, love the over all look, never owned a ruger. $890........................... now the deal with this gun is that the store where the gun resides..the owner is friends with a retired gunsmith, and for $140 .... will tune the trigger to my desired weight, glass bed the action, float the barrel and lap the ruger rings.

-The Remington mod700 mountain in 7mm-8, well... its a sweetheart and is just plain good feeling in the hands, never owned the calibre, i do like more punch in a gun, just my opinion that i prefer a animal to fall where he stands over making it 20 or 50 yards, just my way of thinking is all.




Now they all feel super good in the hands, to shoulder they all win. I have to decide like super fast or the Girlfriend will want something from IKEA instead.... PLease gimme some pros cons on anything that might be useful in a decision.

ill check my mobile phone as the day progresses. lol Never had this much trouble deciding:(

thx
 
Tough choice. The Ruger would be a great choice but it'll be good and heavy once you scope it. On the other hand, I'm thinking that something short light and handy would be nice too and the 7mm-08 fits that bill perfectly.

What do you hunt and what kind of country do you hunt in? If you think you'll want long reach and more punch then the wiser choice would be the 300. Then again, the 7mm-08 might be a wiser choice if you haven't got a lot of experience with recoil. The 300, even at 10 lbs, would boot you around and if you weren't used to it and that leads to all manner of bad things.
 
BigUglyMan said:
Tough choice. The Ruger would be a great choice but it'll be good and heavy once you scope it. On the other hand, I'm thinking that something short light and handy would be nice too and the 7mm-08 fits that bill perfectly.

What do you hunt and what kind of country do you hunt in? If you think you'll want long reach and more punch then the wiser choice would be the 300. Then again, the 7mm-08 might be a wiser choice if you haven't got a lot of experience with recoil. The 300, even at 10 lbs, would boot you around and if you weren't used to it and that leads to all manner of bad things.
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not recoil shy at all... just want something new for this season.. ive busted my a$$ since april and im treating myself. Sort of like women do with shoes.

heavy rifles, light ones, length, nor recoil is an issue today.

Ive been pondering so much over what gun i want the girlffriend is tired of hearing it and if i dont decide today she is going to IKEA :eek:

haha sometimes life sucks and you need a helmut
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
If you handload, you can get a 7-08 damn near to 7 mag velocities anyways with less powder and no sore shoulder.
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Not at the same pressure levels you can't.

To get a 7mm-08 to 7mm Magnum velocities, your pressures are through the roof. Either that or your 7mm Mag loads are very low pressure.

Not saying the 7-08 isn't a very useful and efficient round, but it isn't a 7mm Mag either no matter how you load it.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Never said it was gonna get 7 Mag velocities. But I like that idea that you can get 2900 ft/sec with 140 grain bullets and use 60% of the powder. that counts for something. Plus the accuracy once you get a load tuned.
But, i'd still go with the most comfortable rifle. maybe even get them to mount a scope and see how it fits you and how easily you can find an imagine in the glass. I have never purchased a rifle based on caliber. I go with fit first, then see what is available for calibers.
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In the quote in my last post you said

Kelly Timoffee said:
If you handload, you can get a 7-08 damn near to 7 mag velocities anyways with less powder and no sore shoulder.
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To me that would say you were trying to say it will match a 7mm Mag, rather than saying you can get enough velocity with less powder usage for your needs and are willing to trade a little velocity for the other benefits. A 7mm Mag will do about 3200 fps with 140's, but uses about 20 more grains of powder than does your 7-08. It definitely isn't as efficient, but it is substantially faster.

I agree it is very useful and very efficient and well suited for most hunting in Canada, but to say it is the equal or near equal in velocity of a much larger case is not true.
 
Go for the 300. The Ruger would be my choice if weight isn't an issue. There is a multitude of bullets available for you outthere. best powders are IMR4831 IMR7828, H4831 and IMR4350. I have found that they prefer heavier bullets. I shot 180's, 190's, and 200's. If deer is on the agenda, a 200 grain won't tear em up like a 150 or 165 will. Drops em where they are standing too.If in grizz country, a 200 grain grand slam is much more effective than a 140 grain 7mm 08.
 
Rugers are OK, but nothing special. Weatherby makes a good rifle, but they have a heavy bolt and receiver.

Go for the Rem 700 if you want to build a lightweight. The unmodified receiver and barrel is lighter than either the Ruger or Weatherby. Easier to buy aftermarket parts for a Remington than any other make. Plenty of choices in a quality, lightweight stock.
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Ok u win i will delete my post
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You didn't really need to dump it entirely, you could have simply changed it to say you can get 90% of the velocity with 60% of the powder and less recoil and muzzle blast if it mattered that much. I was simply stating that you can't get the velocity of a 7mm Mag out of a 7mm-08 with safe handloads. In the field, no animal will know the difference and inside of 400 yards the trajectory difference and energy difference is not significant to the outcome. With either, if you place your shots into an animals vitals, they are dead.

Personally, the 7mm mag is too close to my.30-06 to need one (not that I wouldn't buy one if the price was right, it may be redundant but it would still be fun to play with), the 7-08 would at least perform well in a light, short barreled short actioned rifle, and with good efficiency and minimal recoil.
 
There is only one answer for this question and that is 300 Weatherby. Mine shoots 3 inches at 400 yards and nearly goes through a 5/16 inch steel plate using 190Grain Burgers.
 
...get the Ruger in 300 Winny......get the work done as you describe and you'll have a good rifle....I know you like big guns...and the 7-08 won't scratch your itch like the 300 Win will....and I know you can handle the recoil...:D...the Ruger in a laminate is pretty heavy and good at soaking up recoil....the 300 version will be about 9-1/2 lbs with scope...my oldest son has a lefty Ruger laminate in 30-06...weighs a full nine pounds with a 3-9 Elite 3200 on top,....the 300 will have a heavier barrel with an extra 2" on it.....it'll be about 9-1/2 lbs.....

but,...then again...the Vanguard is somewhat of a sleeper in the new rifle wars.....great action.....triggers are reworkable....or a Timney is about $150...
pretty light for a 300 Winny though......I'd get one in 7mm Rem Mag and shoot 160's...less recoil.....and that'll do 99% of what a 300 Win/180 combo will do....
 
I'm a mod.70 guy but of those listed the Vanguard is very, very nice. Shot a buddies in 300 WBY. Very accurate and very light. Rugers are good too but light stainless and a good quality stock is hard to beat. Remingtons feel good but they're well...Remingtons.
 
Weatherby vanguard all the way. Found one in here for a buddie of mine.Exact same rifle as you mentioned and he just loves it,well it was for his wife but you know how that works eh...:D

I LOVE REMINGTON RIFLES....<<<, Hi ya MTM...:p
 
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