Ruger RPR 223

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First off, I understand the feeling of being not a caliber for precision, that being said. Any ideas on why else it is discontinued. Was interested coming from an AR format to an RPR, seemed like a logical step, but now worried about Rugers decision to stop making it, is it just a demand thing or more serious concerns with the design. Not issues like mags, and bolt shroud, simple fixes. Thanks any info is helpful before I take the plunge.
 
I think the only 'flaw' that owners found was maybe an oversized firing pin hole, which limits a person's ability to hand-load to pressures way beyond "safe." Other than that I think it is a really nice gun.
 
My personal experience with the 5.56 model is this:

I have no issues running warm / hot factory loads so far; my idea of hot is Federal Green Tip xm855 62gr ammo and this stuff is running north of 3100 fps in my gun's barrel. If there is cratering, it is very slight and usually means i left a round chambered in a warm barrel during 30 deg NB summer weather while shooting PRS style courses of fire.

Handloads, I can't really comment / gripe about the factory chamber as I haven't played with anything else other than ARs with 5.56 chambers. These are the OALs i get with the following bullets touching the lands using hornady OAL gauge with modified case:

2.412" with 80gr Hornady ELD-M (These stabilize quite well in the 1-7" twist for the factory barrel.) I have managed to get 2800 fps with the factory 20" barrel and it takes me approx 35 MOA with a 100m zero to dial to 1000m. With no wind, these things are impressive and give 178s in .308 some serious competition.

2.402" with 75gr Hornady Amax (I wish Hornady still made these....)

2.260" with Sierra 69 SMK (this is cool cuz my bulk accuracy load for ARs / AR mag length are 0.010" off the lands already and shoot like I worked up the load specifically for the RPR....lol)

The factory mags will accept an internal OAL of roughly 2.550"; lots of wiggle room to seat 80gr bullets. The only other mags I've tried are MDT polymer 223 mags; these almost work but due to the short feed lips and the shape of the RPR's bolt body can misfeed / double feed. Accurate mag steel 223 mags with the binder plate removed are gonna be my next mag to try down the road.
Some might even say the choice of AICS style magazines hindered sales too. I've seen some angry youtube reviews where people who bought the RPR were disappointed that it doesn't take AR mags like the mossberg MVP.

For a .223 bolt gun, it may not be the lightest option. Mine has a Vortex Viper Gen 1 PST 6-24 in MDT rings with a harris bipod and weighs almost 14 lbs unloaded.

Overall, the RPR in 5.56mm could make an awesome trainer / bulk practice gun if you already have an RPR in 6.5mm / .308 / 6mm or even one of the discontinued .243 models.
 
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Thanks Mickey....great info....I am not likely to shoot substantially longer distances than 300 meters, certainly not often. So I don't assume to use this as a trainer, as I won't be getting into a different caliber. But it seems you are not opposed to the general function and reliability of the Rifle, is that correct. At this point, the concern I had was if there were particular reasons of reliability that this caliber was not continued, or purely a limit of sales numbers, because other calibers were a more favorable option to more buyers.
 
Keep in mind my rifle is a sample of "one".....that said....the primers on fired cases from my rifle looked virtually identical to those fired in my buddy's Tikka T3 Varmint in .223. I did tinker with mine because of Ruger's recall (see below) but otherwise have no serious issues with my rifle (600 rds and counting as of this post.) I can't stress enough that I am only a sample of one so look one over before plunking the cash on the counter and ask whoever is selling it what the return / warranty policy is if you have primer issues...

I think the 5.56 model was discontinued for any possible combination of reasons:

- accuracy issues wherein the the 5.56 chamber got blamed or the factory hammer forged barrel was blamed

ie someone shoots "one" or only "a few" brands / weights / types of factory ammo and only gets 2-3 MOA accuracy. Other complaints include short throat for handloading with heavy bullets like the 80gr SMK and thus reduced case capacity, the barrel length is too short for pushing .223 at long distances, Ruger should have made a 24" barrel, BLAH BLAH BLAH. A lot of complaints are coming from people wanting to push .223 in this gun to make it capable for PRS production class / F-Class Production class. I bought mine to see if I could do the same for jokes and giggles knowing the odds were against me but worked up some handloads that make this rifle quite a capable surprise.

- not compatible with AR mags

Some people compared this rifle with the mossberg MVP despite both rifles serving different markets. One is a $500-$1000 rifle that takes AR mags that can be hit or miss for reliability, has a laminate stock with plastic bottom metal albeit there are higher priced chassis models, and has a 24" button rifled barrel with 1-9" twist. The other is literally a $1300-$1800 Ruger Precision rifle with a different barrel / bolt / muzzle brake. Otherwise the chassis / barrel nut / AR handguard / AI - SR25 hybrid magwell / folding adjustable buttstock are identical across all models. The AI mags allow for longer OAL for handloaders that want to run heavy bullets; despite hearing complaints about the throat being short, I managed to get 80gr Hornadys to shoot with enough velocity that at 1000m my .223 handloads shot sightly flatter than my buddy's .308 handloads with 178gr BTHPs in his Savage 10 TR. The ruger's barrel is hammer forged so it should last a good while of plinking, especially in a bolt gun. The 1-7" twist is great for heavier bullets if ringing steel at decent distances is your thing. I can't comment on accuracy with appropriate hunting bullets / factory ammo geared towards such but wanna test some bullets in anticipation of my hunter safety card coming in the mail from NB DNR. It may seem like I'm bashing the MVP; I've talked with a few owners of them at my club and even got to shoot one out to 600m on steel and they can be deadly accurate for the money. With some tinkering or testing of mags, feeding could be sorted out and just fine. I still think that the rifles being unfairly compared to each other but I digress.

- primer cratering / blanking with factory ammo and warm handloads

This one also carries rumours where Ruger "fixed" the issue by shortening the firing pin because they figured it was over protruding and piercing primers. Some people on Snipers Hide Forums reported misfires / failures to fire after getting their rifles repaired. Again, hard to tell what is truth on the interwebs these days....

- Ruger's recall of RPRs that had tight / poorly fitted bolt shrouds

Rifle fails to fire because cocking piece binds in bolt shroud but then could accidentally fire when the bolt handle was touched to run the bolt / check the round. Quite a few 5.56 models were within the serial number range. I fixed mine by relieving some material in the bolt shroud and with eze lap diamond sticks and working the bolt with the rifle unloaded while watching TV. As a WPNS Tech, I was comfortable doing this....even then, I shot mine before fixing it and didn't have this issue but YMMV.

I know this muddies up the waters a bit with answering your question but hope it helps you make a well-informed decision.
 
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