Ruger SR-22 Rifle and GSG 110 round drum, constant malfunctions, Need Advice!

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Hi everyone,

I am fairly new to shooting and I don't have any friends or mentors to ask them questions, so I had to figure everything out on my own, but I need some advice so thought I'd ask on the forum.

I have a Ruger SR-22 rifle and I'm having some malfunctions especially with aftermarket magazines.
I have 2 Buttler Creek 25 round magazines (steel lips) as well as the GSG 110 round drum.

The stock 10 round magazine fires all 10 bullets just fine.
With the BC 25 rnd magazines, I usually have 1 malfunction in 25 rounds, but with the GSG, I have a malfunction every 5 rounds or so.

The malfunction I seem to have is I guess called stovepipe, or FTE. The spent casing doesn't eject and the bolt rams a new round against the round that failed to eject. If I pull the bolt back and release, it will try to feed another one in there, so usually I have to remove the magazine, shake out the spent casing and the 1 un-used round and insert the magazine and rack the bolt again. I find it quite tedious.

I've been doing a lot of research on the forums, so maybe I need a new extractor?
But then again, the extractor is fine with the standard magazine feeds reliably (mostly having trouble with the GSG).
And on the other hand the magazine feeds the rounds correctly, not like the spring is not reacting fast enough, so I don't know, maybe it is the extractor then, yet the gun is practically brand new.

Just don't know what to do next, could use some advice.

Thanks

PS.
Rounds used: AE bulk HP, Federal bulk HP, Winchester 333 HP.
Also tried CCI Velocitors and Stingers

The Winchester was the worst as I expected, the Federal and AE were decent.
The CCI seemed more reliable, but they still had issues with the GSG magazine in 1 in 10 rounds, which I still don't consider very reliable.
 
sounds like you could use a new ejector, and that would be the cheapest solution.

From personal experience, took a while for my 10/22 to break in and cycle well, also I have a bunch of BC steel lips and they all required a bit of a modification to feed 99%. the mod is in the 10/22 thread.

edit -how many rounds have you fed her?
 
I think you may be right about the extractor. Sounds like it's not holding the spent brass in place as the bolt comes back so it's missing hitting the ejector. I've found the 25 round mags and drum mags can exert a lot of upward pressure as they feed the next round up - which can knock the spent casing off the bolt as it recoils if the extractor is not good.
 
VanMan said:
I think you may be right about the extractor. Sounds like it's not holding the spent brass in place as the bolt comes back so it's missing hitting the ejector. I've found the 25 round mags and drum mags can exert a lot of upward pressure as they feed the next round up - which can knock the spent casing off the bolt as it recoils if the extractor is not good.
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good point.
 
I have probably 1 in 100 malfunctions with the 25 round butler creek steel lips from my SR22

The GSG 110 round drum I had 3 malfunctions the first use, 1 malfunction the second use, 2 the third use, and 1 the fourth use.

Only used it 4 times lol
 
Thanks for the replies so far.

I've probably shot about 600 rounds from the SR-22 so far.

The first time I loaded the GSG 110, I probably got through only 10 rounds or so and I gave up and unloaded it.
The 2nd time I went shooting, I did 2 full reloads (so 200+ rounds) but I got a lot of FTEs

The rest of the shooting would have been done through the 25 round magazines and the stock magazines.
The stock one never jammed, the BC 25 round ones, I'd say jam once per magazine.
 
Most likely you are not loading the 110 round drum carefully enough, mine used to jam until I figured out how to load it properly. They can be finicky until you learn how. I also ended up taking my drum apart and rewinding the spring, there are videos on youtube showing how to do this. Pay attention to the 10 plastic cartridges in the drum, they have to be spaced properly for everything to work right.
When you rotate the drum to put in the cartridge move it just enough to load the next round,no more, after a while you will get a feel of how far to turn it and it becomes second nature.
This solved the problem for me and now it works perfectly for the entire drum.
 
My 25 round BC mags took some time to break in, as well as my GSG drum. I needed to run that drum over 5 times before it loosened up a bit. I read a bunch of tips, and the one taht seemed to work was to load all the mags (the BC and the GSG) and leave them loaded, under tension, for a week. That solved the FTE issues.
 
Ammo and magazines are almost always the problem.
I bought one of the 1st batch of SR22's to come in to Canada. I compete with it every spring/summer.
BC's take a lot of rounds to break in. Try drilling out the drain hole at the bottom. Clean by flushing it with super hot water. Blast with compressed air and let it dry. Shoot some silicon lube in there if the follower/spring is "sticky", IE/ not sliding smoothly. I am generally against lubricating the inside of mags, but it worked for me. I've been using my two BC's for 4+ yrs now, and they're very reliable.

But my fav mags are tactical inc's b/c they're adjustable and can be disassembled for cleaning.

Ammo: mine has always preferred CCI loads with a velocity of at least 1200 fps. You need the Umpf! to cycle the action and it'll help to break it in. You might want to shoot some stingers!

Lubricate the gun like crazy. Mine has always run best when generously lubed. Synthetic motor oil works really well.

I do agree with getting a Volquartsen extractor. They are a big improvement over the stock piece.
 
Magellann said:
Most likely you are not loading the 110 round drum carefully enough, mine used to jam until I figured out how to load it properly. They can be finicky until you learn how. I also ended up taking my drum apart and rewinding the spring, there are videos on youtube showing how to do this. Pay attention to the 10 plastic cartridges in the drum, they have to be spaced properly for everything to work right.
When you rotate the drum to put in the cartridge move it just enough to load the next round,no more, after a while you will get a feel of how far to turn it and it becomes second nature.
This solved the problem for me and now it works perfectly for the entire drum.
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+1 good comment!!!
 
Sorry but if you shoot enough .22s. Youll know every rifle is different for ammo.
Same model gun could hate/love a type.
Sure cci functions better but at double the cost.
Find what your rifle likes and bulk buy it!
 
Had same problem with my sr 22 as well. Cycled like a boss forever, then starte having same symptoms as yours. Did some research, grabbed a Kidd extractor and spring from local supplier and runs like a champ again.

Note: when I first got my bc mag it wouldn't cycle worth a #### either, took about 100 rounds to start cycling proper.
 
little_airwolf said:
Sorry but if you shoot enough .22s. Youll know every rifle is different for ammo.
Same model gun could hate/love a type.
Sure cci functions better but at double the cost.
Find what your rifle likes and bulk buy it!
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I agree.
And I think this illustrates another thing to consider: how important is it to you that your gun does not malfunction?
If you're plinking, then a couple of failures per mag using cheap ammo might not be a big deal.
If you're competing in mini-rifle or speed steel, then any malfunction is a big deal, and you might want to splurge on "premium" ammo (if that's what works best in your gun).
 
A quick update, I know it's been a while since I posted the original question.
I appreciate everyone's replies.

I upgraded the extractor to the Volquartsen one and it's been a great improvement.

I don't think I was loading the GSG 110 incorrectly as I haven't changed my loading style and it now only had 2 out of 110 rounds fired an FTE malfuction (with federal bulk).
Then I also loaded the GSG with the CCI mini mags (which they recommended in the manual) and I went through the entire magazine without any malfunction.

I also stopped having malfunctions on my Buttler Creek magazines, I can get through the entire magazine without a malfunction.
 
Zedbra said:
My 25 round BC mags took some time to break in, as well as my GSG drum. I needed to run that drum over 5 times before it loosened up a bit. I read a bunch of tips, and the one taht seemed to work was to load all the mags (the BC and the GSG) and leave them loaded, under tension, for a week. That solved the FTE issues.
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Leaving a spring compressed is no different than leaving it uncompressed. It doesn't break in or wear the spring at all. Only the action of cycling the spring from one state to the other puts any wear on a spring. If you want to try and break them in a little try loading and unloading while watching TV or something ( handy advice from a knowledgeable fellow on another forum )
 
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