Rules on Case used to transport handgun

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Im sorry if this has been asked before i tried searching on cgn and google and came up with nothing, i bought my frist handgun and it comes with a plastic case that you can put a padlock on, but i was told in the shop that the case "didnt meet government regs" so id have to buy a new locking case to take it home in etc,

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

^ from here all it says is "Lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container"

well the plastic case is non-transparent, and who decides what is sturdy or not?
I do plan on getting a new case in the future but i feel like im being forced to buy one from them before i can take er home, any thoughts?

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The case the pistol came in should be sufficient, legally. They aren't much different in construction than the low-end ones for sale that meet requirements.

I've never used the ones my pistols came in because they are form molded inside to fit the pistol, and won't accomodate a trigger lock.
 
thanks for the quick reply, i also wont be using the case long term , literally just to take it home from the store. but as you say "low-end ones for sale that meet requirements." Im wondering exactly what the requirements are, the only part in the rules i read is "sturdy, non-transparent container" but who decides what that means? the non transparant part speaks for itself but "sturdy" could mean anything. if someone wants to get into any case of course they will be able to, no matter how "sturdy" it is.
 
Written in a vague fashion on purpose. "Sturdy" is open to interpretation. All you can do is your best to make sure you are in compliance. If you have the foresight to clarify the rule before taking the pistol home, then you should be able to determine if it will meet the "sturdy" criteria. If they want to charge you, they can always find a miriad of reasons. At the end of the day, if you can prove you practiced due diligence, that's all you can do.
 
I agree fully, its more that the store wont let me leave with it in the plastic case with padlock and trigger lock, even though that should be fully legal, frustrating! ill give the CFP office a call in the morning and see what they say

Im in no rush to bring it home, im too busy with work to get out to the range so maybe i should just save myself the headache and buy a nice case before i go pick it up
 
If it meets legal requirements, but the store won't let you leave with it. Either buy one from them for the ride home and then return it later, or find something at home that will work for the trip (money box, briefcase, etc.)

There is a store here in Winnipeg that tried that line for a while in order to pad their bill for another $30 by making you buy a case...
 
Please tell us the store name. The case it came in such as Ruger (which usually requires the spot for the pad lock to be drilled, but it is there for some reason), Smith and Wesson, Glock, Springfield are ALL fine cases. If you can fit a trigger lock on the gun (even one of those cheapie plastic types & close the case securely, so that it doesn't look all sprung open) and put a lock on it, you are GOOD TO GO. If the store doesn't like it, get your money back and buy elsewhere. Should you have a nice case for your guns? Yes, I build them. Should you be FORCED to buy one from a retailer? Absolutely NOT. The retailers I deal with even offer to lend me a case and trigger lock if I don't have with me at the time of pickup. We sure are taking it on the chin from some places in terms of customer service, we don't need to accept it.
 
Not to hijack this post, but how about a Glock Pistol bag..would that be a carrying case? I saw one @ Bass Pro and they seem very sturdy and also lockable.

Thoughts?
 
kstarev said:
Not to hijack this post, but how about a Glock Pistol bag..would that be a carrying case? I saw one @ Bass Pro and they seem very sturdy and also lockable.

Thoughts?
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I also had that same question.. I bought a glock 22 two months ago and it came with a free range carry bag. I have a case that I carry my handguns to the range with but im curious if I am allowed using the bag?
 
adjective (sturdier, sturdiest)

(of a person or their body) strongly and solidly built: he had a sturdy, muscular physique

strong enough to withstand rough work or treatment: the bike is sturdy enough to cope with bumpy tracks

showing confidence and determination: the townspeople have a sturdy independence
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from the oxford dictionary http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sturdy

so probably only hard cases will suffice unless the soft bag has a layer of armor like material like a construction workers tool bag.
 
My rpal instructor demonstrated safe transport using zippered pistol bags, his opinion was as long as it is capable of being locked and required a tool to be able to get into it it met the conditions of the code


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Tuco Pike said:
Please tell us the store name. The case it came in such as Ruger (which usually requires the spot for the pad lock to be drilled, but it is there for some reason), Smith and Wesson, Glock, Springfield are ALL fine cases. If you can fit a trigger lock on the gun (even one of those cheapie plastic types & close the case securely, so that it doesn't look all sprung open) and put a lock on it, you are GOOD TO GO. If the store doesn't like it, get your money back and buy elsewhere. Should you have a nice case for your guns? Yes, I build them. Should you be FORCED to buy one from a retailer? Absolutely NOT. The retailers I deal with even offer to lend me a case and trigger lock if I don't have with me at the time of pickup. We sure are taking it on the chin from some places in terms of customer service, we don't need to accept it.
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I agree 100% with Tuco, as a matter of fact if the gun is available anywhere else I would demand my money back and never shop there again!
 
rcs1016 said:
My rpal instructor demonstrated safe transport using zippered pistol bags, his opinion was as long as it is capable of being locked and required a tool to be able to get into it it met the conditions of the code


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My instructor had the same thing...3 large zippered army dufflebags with travel locks on them.
 
I just brought home my first restricted gun in a soft sided gun case. The people at P & D enterprises in Edmonton were kind enough to help me find the cheapest case we could and just zip tie the zipper to a loop at the end of the case. This made it so it required a tool and therefore met the requirements. For my 1911, they just zip tied the handle for me to take it home.

Moral of the story, it should just take an opaque case and some means of fastening it that cant be undone by hand alone
 
Capable Hands said:
I just brought home my first restricted gun in a soft sided gun case. The people at P & D enterprises in Edmonton were kind enough to help me find the cheapest case we could and just zip tie the zipper to a loop at the end of the case. This made it so it required a tool and therefore met the requirements. For my 1911, they just zip tied the handle for me to take it home.

Moral of the story, it should just take an opaque case and some means of fastening it that cant be undone by hand alone
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...I guess that is one proof that durable zippered bags should be okay.
 
My rpal instructor demonstrated safe transport using zippered pistol bags, his opinion was as long as it is capable of being locked and required a tool to be able to get into it it met the conditions of the code
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My understanding as well.
 
"Sturdy" doesn't appear in the legislation. The threshold that appears to be usually applied by police is that if it requires a tool to break into the locked case, the case/lock meets the requirement of the legislation.

TRANSPORTATION OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS
11. An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and

(d) if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,

(i) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and

(ii) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.
 
Regulation trumps fact sheet. interesting that the rcmp would word it differently in their fact sheet that the more lazy of us will read rather than searching for the regs.
(yes I include myself in lazy).
Methinks its another attempt to get people to go over and beyond (like all those people that transport rifles trigger locked in a case).

from regs
(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and
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from fact sheet
Lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container; and
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