I'm thinking of buying Tokerev and was wondering is the additional cost of either an unissued Polish Tok or a new Zastava m57 would be worth the money in your opinions? Costs seem to run 169/249/289 respectively. Any major benefits of spending a bit more?
Russian vs Polish vs Zastava version of a Tokerev?
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gewehr76
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Russian toks are usually refurbished units, that can have force matched parts. Therefore you pay lower price. Polish ones are as they say unissued surpluss so almost brand new pistol, however there is always a doubt, as when they first came in I bought one and it had different number barrel and bushing. With Zastavas you get Newly manufactured pistol that either in 9mm or 7.62, your choice. With prices where they are now, I'd get all 4.
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They are pretty unremarkable pistols....poor ergo's, heavy triggers, poor sights. That said, I own several of them....best bang for the buck is a postwar russian refurb, they will be better finished then the wartime version. May as well get the cheapest example you can, all the cheap ammo is corrosive, they will all shoot and function the same more or less.
I would never buy any of them except for historical aspect of original Russian model.
Now for the fun of shooting, yes, but fun quickly goes away once you realize how inaccurate they are.
Don't get me wrong, they are adequate for what they been design for.
So between those 3 I would chose Russian all matching original with historical provenance and still functional enough to go through couple hundreds rounds maintaining its value for once you decide to get rid of it.
Now for the fun of shooting, yes, but fun quickly goes away once you realize how inaccurate they are.
Don't get me wrong, they are adequate for what they been design for.
So between those 3 I would chose Russian all matching original with historical provenance and still functional enough to go through couple hundreds rounds maintaining its value for once you decide to get rid of it.
I just got a Zastava M57 in 7.62x25. It was $289. Honestly I regret buying it. Should of had more patience and saved my shillings for the sig p226 that felt as comfortable as a cold beer in my hand. From about 10 feet away I was unable to hit a 11 x 8.5 sheet of paper. It was shooting way down and to the left. I filed the front sight down and that brought my rounds up. The sights are dovetailed, so I tapped the front sight over to fix the horizontal. Worked, but the sight is now loose. Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix that? For the record, I wasn't expecting it to be super accurate and WAS shooting surplus ammo.
THe BIGGEST problem, however, is the ridiculous slide stop retaining clip. After 20 rounds it started to slide off every 4th round or so. After 60 rounds it was coming loose after every round and the slide stop pin was falling out. I used a pair of pliers and pinched the clip together, and that improved things significantly. Now I can get through a magazine before having to push it back into place. I contacted my vendor and they are sending me another retaining clip, so hopeful my original retaining clip was oversized and the new one will be better. The other issue I am having is that the grip keeps falling off. I get a small screwdriver and push it back in place, but after 3 or 4 mags of shooting it gets loose and falls off again.
Would appreciate it if anyone has any suggestions as to how to fix retaining clip and grip issue as they are a real drag.
UPDATE: Got new retaining clip today (covered in cosmoline). Problem solved. Don't know what it came off of but new retaining clip is significantly smaller than original... so while it is tight to get on, it stays on! 80 rounds and only one misfeed with surplus corrosive. With sights adjusted it was fun to shoot today. Perhaps this relationship just needed some more time to develop...
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I ordered a $179 deal from Marstar an frankly expected little.
I got a, yes refurb, but FANTASTIC piece of history that happens to be a SWEET shooter.
I guess it' s the luck of the draw)
Mine is a tack driver when I do my part, 1944 Soviet.
Only issues I've had is not inserting magazine on proper angle, which is operator error.
100% reliability from mine.
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Mine all shoot good two handed and single still working on a few stovepipe and have new springs for them but going to fire a few more hundred rounds before changing anything. I have one Russian and two polish, feel great in my hand pins and clips all stay where they should and very easy to strip and clean! Buy whatever fancies you, strip it, clean it well, shoot the s#!t out of it and go on youtube to see how to fix any problems and tune it! What's not to like for under $200 and cheap ammo!
Bought 3 Polish Toks, AWSOME guns, this purchase was a way to get in a lot of centre fire shooting without reloading for a change. I'm on my 2nd crate and non of the 3 guns have had any malfunctions other that the mag release notch was not machine properly , not the guns fault,but the magazines fault ?
I sold the other 2 too friends after they shot mine, that's the best endorsement I think you can get for the Polish Tok's
Just remember these are not target pistols, they were meant to be shot close range and usually to keep the troops moving forward
The 3 I had all shot centre or 6oclock hold out to 50 yards with Czeck surplus.
I sold the other 2 too friends after they shot mine, that's the best endorsement I think you can get for the Polish Tok's
Just remember these are not target pistols, they were meant to be shot close range and usually to keep the troops moving forward
The 3 I had all shot centre or 6oclock hold out to 50 yards with Czeck surplus.
Very satisfied with my 1943 Russian Tok. Only issue I've had with the pistol are cycling issues due to min start reloads which were remedied by upping the powder charge till I achieved proper cycling. Don't think Toks are for everyone just like any pistol or firearm in general for that matter. Some people love them and some people hate them.
My rusian have historic value, my polish is the king, of Toc family as a quality, Zastava made for civilian have not the quality of former Yugoslavian commie guns, I sold it,I miss the Mastar boat of military original yugo toc.
X2. Especially on the triggers. I have a pair of Russians, one built right around the time of the German invasion and a postwar from the early 50's. Fun lil' things, I haven't had any issues which is fairly great for a $180 pistol. The postwar is a little nicer looking, much like the Polish I figure. I wouldn't mind grabbing a Pollack model some day, family history and all, but I don't see much point in going to the Zastava while cheap surplus is available. Unless there's some improvements I am unaware of....
