Rust, Valve-Grinding Compound and Steel Wool...

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Caution: What you are about to read may shock your sensibility! Reader discretion is advised.


What I am about to describe is a nightmare story. You can decide for yourself whether the ending is happy, sad or neutral.

This is a story about my very first target rifle -- the one that is arguably responsible for my nickname on CGN (P-17).

A number of years ago now, I became interested in trying my hand at target shooting. I didn't have much money or experience, so I discussed the matter with my gunsmith friend Fred Bardua, and we decided to build a basic .308 out of a 1917 Enfield action. My friend Martin Teglasi donated a used Donnelly target barrel which had about 1,000 rounds through it at the time. It's a chrome-moly barrel and had a 1-11" twist with a tight bore of .3065. It was also not lapped OR heat treated in any way, and it fouled like a bastard and did tend to walk a bit when it got heated. Nevertheless, it got me into the game.

Martin also donated a used walnut stock for the project, and he talked Fred into welding a block of steel into the magazine and drilling new holes for the action. He also talked Fred into installing a Remington 700-style recoil lug washer between the barrel and receiver face, and letting the original lug just hang free. I added a Timney trigger, and the finished product does not look half bad. I recently purchased a 6.5-20 x 40 Leupold from a fellow CGNer and mounted it on.

Suffice it to say, this is a somewhat unique rifle and I have a bit of fondness for it, after all these years.

Recently, my plan was to transform it into a varmint rig in .22-250. However, I wanted to get maximum use out of it as a .308 first, so I thought I'd work up a few new loads with some 155, 168 and 180-grain match bullets. In the past, it had averaged between .5 and .7 for 5 shots at 100 metres fairly regularly with loads that it liked, so I wanted to see if I could improve upon this.

The horror happened after I shot it last December. I'd taken it to the range to zero in the Leupold and I'd put it away afterwards without cleaning the barrel. Let's face it, we've all done this after shooting only a few rounds, with no trouble. In this case, the rounds were not corrosive, so I didn't think anything of it.

I'd been planning to take it out for serious testing since early January, but each time I planned to go out, something came up. Finally, I was able to go last Sunday, Feb 17.

The night before, as I was checking things, I checked down the barrel... and nearly had a heart attack. I saw a level of rust through the entire bore so heavy that I could not even detect the swirl of the rifling! What caused this? I still don't have an answer, but I speculate that it resulted from my last outing without cleaning. Perhaps the barrel was cold and caught some condensation? Who knows.

After I started my heart again, I decided to run a wet patch down the bore. As expected, it came out coloured like a red brick. Even worse, muscle power was not enough to push the cleaning rod through -- that's how rough and ugly it was. I had to gently tap the rod through with a mallet. Imagine what would have happened if I'd fired the rifle in this condition?

I followed this with a serious bronze brushing, but it was doing next to nothing. By this point, I was resigned to the likelihood that I'd be getting the .22-250 barrel sooner rather than later. It was over. This is when I did something shocking, as a last-ditch effort.

I slathered up a thick patch with VALVE-GRINDING COMPOUND and ran it back and forth through the barrel 10-20 times. Things were actually getting noticeably smoother now, but I was wondering if there was any rifling left. What the hell? Why not break another taboo? I followed this with a thick wrap of steel wool. I washed it out with solvent, and followed with another heavy patch of valve grinding compound.

After this, as my "light" cleaning, I ran a patch coated with JB through, and then ran a few more patches with G96 to wash everything out. When I looked down the muzzle with a flashlight, I could still see a few small patches of tenacious rust, but overall, it didn't look too bad. It looked like a rifle barrel again.

I figured that I'd have to blow that crap out of the barrel before I started any kind of serious testing, so I resized three old military cases and poured 44.5 grains of Varget in before seating some surplus 147-grain FMJ bullets that Martin had pulled from old IVI ammunition. I simply seated the bullets to the cannelure.

On Sunday afternoon, I took it to the range and fired these three rounds at 100 metres, keeping the Leupold set at 16x. I was happily surprised by the results:

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That's not match accuracy, perhaps, but it is not bad, considering the circumstances, and considering that I was using crappy bullets.

Things got even better when I started doing the serious load testing. I have to confess that the breeze was picking up a bit, and I could even see the mirage through my scope at 100 metres. As a result, I had to shade the crosshairs into it a couple of times. Here's the best result with the 155-grain Sierra:

Donnelly155.jpg


I'd like to think that the flyer low and to the right was a result of wind and/or lousy shooting on my part. When you consider the other four shots, I'd like to think of it as an anomaly, but even if it wasn't, the entire five-shot group is still just a hair over 3/4 m.o.a., which isn't bad, considering the situation. This used to be its favourite load, so I'm fairly confident that on another day I should be able to get back into the .5s again.

The results were even better when I went to the 180s. I loaded a moly-coated Hornady BTHP match bullet over varying charges of Varget. Here is the best group. As an aside, this was the very first moly-coated group I fired, and I shot it AFTER the 155s, without cleaning the barrel first. Usually, the first shot with moly like this is a bit of a flyer. Can you guess which of the shots below was my first shot?

Donelly180.jpg


Once again, I take full responsibility for the flyer. Still, it is tantalizing to think that this rifle might be capable of shooting less than 1/2 and inch for five shots with these bullets.

When the guy beside me saw these results and heard my story of rust and desperation, he joked that from now on he was going to try rusting the barrel if his rifle didn't shoot! :p

So there you have it. Maybe there is hope for this barrel yet.

While I wouldn't recommend valve-grinding compound or steel wool for anything but an emergency situation, it looks like they can work.

 
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Maybe try running a patch with Flitz and let it sit for awhile to get the rest of the rust.
 
Yet, when I mention valve grinding compound and steel wool, people think I'm nuts! Must be my youth and inexperience. Regards, Bill
 
Confirms what I've always thought, sometimes we obsess waaaay to much about our barrels. Think of the abuse they take just firing a bullet. Also they don't have to necessarily be silky smooth hand lapped to shoot well, makes for easy cleaning but not necessarily better accuracy.
 
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It seemed to clean up nicely after shooting, too.

I'd say it was a little bit easier to clean it this time than it has been in the past. Before, I would get multiple patches covered with black followed by several blue patches. This time, it only took me 3 or 4 patches total (using a couple of soakings with Wipe-Out), and it seems to be pretty clean.

Looking closely at the crowning by shining a flashlight into the muzzle, I can detect a bit of roughness on the surface of the lands and grooves, but I'm obviously not complaining because I managed to save it from the scrap yard.
 
Maybe. Although, you have to remember it did start out as a .3065, which is VERY tight.

On the other hand, I'm not worried because as I said in the beginning, my goal was to burn this barrel out anyway, in order to make way for a new barrel in .22-250. If anything, I've given myself more useful life to shoot out over the next few months. I might even have to buy a special batch of bullets for the purpose ;)

This reminds me, I'll have to post a question on the reloading forum about the accuracy level of bulk bullets, like the Winchester 150 PPs that you can buy from Higginsons...
 
Desperate problems require desperate measures.You had nothing to lose and everything to gain.This kind of experimentation is a great learning process.Thanks for sharing.
 
OK, here's the latest report.

Yesterday (Sunday March 2/08), I took this rifle back for a repeat trip to Mission Range. I wanted to see if this rifle really has been saved. This time, I wanted to see how well it performed at longer ranges. The results simply astonished me.

I loaded up with the combination that showed the most promise last time: 42.6 grains of Varget behind an old, discontinued moly-coated Hornady 180 grain BTHP match bullet, ignited by a CCI BR2 primer, out of a Norma case. I took a number of other rifles with me, too, to make a full day of it. I warmed up by playing with my .300 Winchester Magnum at 200 metres and 300 yards.

I then switched to this .308. After getting a basic 200-metre zero, I clicked up 2.75 minutes and quickly fired 2 rounds on a target I had hung at 300 yards. After my second shot, the range officer called a cease fire to change targets, so my group was finished. When I looked through the spotting scope, I was surprised, to say the least. Here is what I saw:

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That wouldn't be bad for 100 yards, much less 300 yards!

Since my group was interrupted, I decided not to shoot the same target again for my next group. I went back to playing with other rifles for a bit and then returned to this one. By now, the conditions were changing a bit. I fired two shots. As I was holding for shot number 3, I saw the leaves starting to rustle through the scope. Quickly, I shaded the crosshairs about an inch to the left and pulled the trigger. Here is the result. (The shot I shaded actually ended up going through the hole of shot number 2 -- at 300 yards!)

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The conditions were starting to change now, so I decided to quit while I was ahead. Nevertheless, if you look at both targets together, you'll see that all five shots basically landed into a group that is less than 3/4 of an inch.

Hell, with performance like this, I think this rifle could even be competitive in F-class!

Just for fun, my friend Martin gave me 3 rounds of Federal Gold Medal Match, loaded with 168-grain Sierra MKs. I came down 2 minutes and tried these rounds at 200 metres. Here is the result:

DonnellyFedFactory.jpg



That's not too shabby for factory ammunition. It's easily 1/2 m.o.a. And it's certainly not too shabby from a barrel which, three weeks ago, looked like it was rusted beyond salvation.

Here is a photo of the bad boy:

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I figure that this story will warm the heart of Jerry (Mysticplayer) because I know that he has a weakness for project rifles built out of old 1917 Enfields.

Anyway, I think this old beater is shooting better than ever now. Who would have thought?

 
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p-17 s per your suggestion I ventured over to this thread from the one I started in 2011. Great results and something to learn here is that a 1000 round barrel isn't ready for the bone yard. Great information and thanks for posting your experience.
 
Great story!

I have a Brno M98 action with an old heavy target barrel that has had years of use and thousands of rounds. When I got it, it had been used and abused and shot with cast bullets and was full of lead. After some heavy cleaning and some load development it's capable of .5 MOA. It's my favourite rifle.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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