S&W 29-10 failure part2

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The story so far, bought a S&W 29-10 brand new in January 2015, put 5500-6000 rounds of everything from factory to factory reloads to my own reloads through it. As many as 500+ per session. It died. Sent it back for warranty and it was declined because of the use of reloaded ammunition. Place I bought it from offered to buy it from me and I declined because I truly believe this gun is defective. There are those that say I overloaded it. Take that up with Hodgdon Powder who says that their published load data has 30 years of experience of being well within SAAMI specs. And now on with the show....

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Forcing cone failure with heavy erosion

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Are these frames cast?

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Don't know what the white chalky stuff is and there are no signs of it on the frame. I'm wondering if the piece that broke off hit the ceiling tiles or something. Also, look at how thin that piece is on the one side, I measured it at .050"!

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Yes, that is a crack in the frame of a .44 magnum handgun that has the "endurance package"

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The cylinder looks fine to me.

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These are the last 3 rounds it fired, if the timing was off shouldn't the firing pin indentations be off?

So far what I have learned is that any company that touts any kind of "customer satisfaction" or "lifetime service" policy is full of it.
If you use live ammunition in a gun and the gun fails it's the ammo's fault and it's your fault. It is not the fault of the manufacturer. But as long as you never fire it, it will be warrantied forever.

I'm not expecting a good outcome based on what has happened so far, so let my experience serve as a warning.
If you reload your own ammunition, no matter how carefully, do not expect any kind of warranty consideration. It's just lip service and marketing.
 
I take it that guy from S&W isn't going to do anything? Also what recipe and bullet size/type were you reloading especially the last ones?
 
Same thing happened to my newer 586. Took a year to get a new barrel but they replaced it under warranty. Looked exactly like yours. Shot factory ammo but they were mostly Remington 125g that are pretty high velocity. Still, your forcing cone is rounded from the projectile striking it over and over again until it cracked..it should have a sharp edge to it. If anyone sees it starting to round off and have stress lines I would be concerned. I'm not sure what the real culprit was with mine, but I suspected either bad metallurgy, or bad timing or something...but it was identical to yours.
 
S&W are fine revolver, i personally own a model 29-2 but for this kind of shooting (500 hot reload per session?) i'd go with a Redhawk.
 
I take it that guy from S&W isn't going to do anything? Also what recipe and bullet size/type were you reloading especially the last ones?

Nope, S&W says that any failures are caused by the ammunition and it is the responsibility of the ammunition manufacturer for any damage. Since I manufactured the ammunition by reloading it, they say it's my problem. I'll post the exact passage from the email I got from them when i get to my own computer.

The recipe was once fired Starline brass, Winchester large pistol primer, 23.8 grains of Hodgdon H-110, Campro 240 grain TMJ bullet seated to 1.60" COL

Mike from Hodgdon has a theory but I want to hear from Campro before I let that particular cat out.

Here's the first response from S&W:

I am sorry to hear about your issue and to say that we do not support the use of reloads. We build our firearms to meet SAAMI specs so any load within SAAMI specs would be fine for use.

With that being said, even the major manufactures occasionally do make mistakes and we have seen injuries and guns destroyed due to this.

When we determine that the detonation was in fact due to an over pressured round, we have to ask you to inquire with the ammo manufacture. They will usually cover the cost of the firearm because it was their ammo that caused the issue.

When you choose to use your own reloads and have an issue, theoretically, you are the ammo manufacture and would end up having to cover the cost.

Please contact one of our warranty centers in Canada to see what they can do for you. Here is a link below:
 
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S&W did warranty work on my M&P 9 and I told that I shoot reloads and I even included the case that went boom. My experience is that S&W stand behind their well used products. I'm sorry that you situation is different.

500 rounds in a session with a revolver like that sure seems like it is pushing the envelope, I usually shoot 50 to 75 with my 686. I guess that I'm a light weight!
 
Since when do any manufacturers warranty's include reloaded ammunition ?
Non commercial ammo voids warranty's

According to the emails from S&W the use of any ammunition voids their warranty as they have no control over the ammunition and even "major manufacturers sometimes make mistakes". But apparently that doesn't apply to gun manufacturers.
 
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